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Park to the crime scene. the defense is arguing that the forensic evidence won't prove park is guilty and she doesn't have a motive for murder. we have fred tecce, former federal prosecutor and carey hackett. a criminal defense attorney. fred, you say the defense as a tough road to hoe here. the women didn't know each other, there was no connection to each other and but there could be no motive for murder but there is something called money, fred. >> there is a lot of tough like that. there is money, you have to think those things out before you tell the jury at. you tell them the people didn'...

Getting her life spared in this circumstance is for her to accept responsibility, to plead for her life and essentially tell the family, and tell the friends of travis alexander that she realizes the magnitude of what she's done and she's truly sorry. to have her do this in a way that is believable and credible. after this trial and all of her testimony and the jury not believing her to this point i think that is going to be very difficult. arthel: and then going -- following up on that, i'll go with you now, fred. let's say come monday jodi gets back up on the stand and says whatever crazy st...

He was violent toward her. >> that's what you need, right? they have no evidence to support the theory. it was something made up and the judge precluded it. jon: carrie, what about it, the fred points out, they found kelly soo park's dna on the victim. if these two women never met, how does that happen? >> well, miss park certainly at some point was in that apartment. and we don't know exactly how that the evidence is going to play out or what the defense is going to say with respect to miss park's presence within the apartment but certainly if the forensic evidence is conclusive than she was ...

You know what we call that where i come from? flight is evidence of consciousness of guilt. a lot of this lines up. it is a good circumstantial case but the defense lawyers like carrie will do the best they can but i think in the end it won't be enough. jon: the defense is trying to distract, the defense is trying to distract and give the jury a shiny object to look at. is that what this amounts to in this case from the defense standpoint? >> possibly. they're trying to show that the evidence is circumstantial and that it is not strong enough to show beyond a reasonable doubt that it was mispa...

Write and whatever she wants to do, study. arthel: pwhaoepb while we are learning jodi's defense lawyers asked the judge for permission to get off the case shortly after jodi's conviction. the judge has denied that request. fred tecci is a former federal prosecutor. carry hackette is a defense attorney: jodi arias' defense lawyer is saying i want out. his job at this point is at the very least to try to get life in prison for his khraoeupt, his client has gone on television saying, i don't want to die in prison, i'm going to live a long life, i don't smoke, i want to be put to death. carry it ...