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Ferocious and gun and knife attack and headed off to see her new romantic interest, ryan burns, the man you just heard testify. fred tecee is a former federal prosecutor. rachel self is a defense attorney. welcome to you both. >> thanks for having me. jon: this is interesting, first of all, he said she was supposed to meet him that day, she was supposed to come from california i believe to arizona where he lived but she was much delayed and she blamed it on losing her way on the freeway, getting lost. taking a nap in the car that, kind of thing. it doesn't help her testimony, this testimony fr...

A throat slit and then shot him in the head? goes to cold-bloodedness, it will really, just kills her defense theory in this case. jon: she did show up at his house with cuts on her hand. he testified about that to the court. let's listen. >> yeah. >> what did she tell but the, those cuts? >> she worked at margaritaville. she told me she worked at margaritaville and she cut her fink ir. >> how did she cut her finger at margaritaville?. >> she told me she closed a back. and they switched my back license plate and turned it upside down. that is why the police officer pulled her over. we laughed ...

Everyone to have. and now it looks like maybe the logs weren't kept. maybe the information wasn't as detailed and reported back to department of education. how big a problem could they be in there? >> well, i think it's pimple on the butt of their problems. it's the cleary act. apparently the most you could face is a fine of 27500. >> laura: per act. >> so maybe it mounts. the reality is whether you have officials reacting to the news of child rape, the same way i reacted to my wife when i heard that the kardashians were getting divorced. you know, kind of like who cares? there is a problem an...

Everyone to have. and now it looks like maybe the logs weren't kept. maybe the information wasn't as detailed and reported back to department of education. how big a problem could they be in there? >> well, i think it's pimple on the butt of their problems. it's the cleary act. apparently the most you could face is a fine of 27500. >> laura: per act. >> so maybe it mounts. the reality is whether you have officials reacting to the news of child rape, the same way i reacted to my wife when i heard that the kardashians were getting divorced. you know, kind of like who cares? there is a problem an...

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