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Disney world? and now here you are -- i don't even -- >> -- the other thing you need to know about ron desantis is in the fact that he got married at disney world. >> he is -- >> i was going to say, if you can't beat mickey mouse and goofy, how are you going to beat donald trump? -- >> well, they are awesome. a lot of people would vote for them. >> it seems to me that the more desantis moves to the right to secure the republican base, the less appealing he becomes to the rest of the country and even parts of the republican party. and maybe making more of this, but that mayoral election in jack...

Really are holding the rest of the conference hostage. we have this fringe element of the republican party that are not operating in good faith, and essentially we have 10% of the conference that are dictating the terms for it, 90% of republicans. as we mentioned, kevin mccarthy has given many concessions as we have outlined with regard to motion to vacate, term limits, as well as votes on securing the border and freedom caucus members on the rules committee. he's really watering down the position and it's certainly not going to be representative of what the republican party is. i've spoken wi...

Shuts down, if we don't do a deal with a debt ceiling increase, if we don't address -- look, technology is moving so fast. there's a need for regulation, and we need to make sure we're preparing our kids for the future. congress has a role on that. but one of the lessons we have to take away from this is the situation from kevin mccarthy is in right now is of his own making. if this doesn't happen for him, he's not a martyr. the fact that he tried to negotiate with this fringe element, sometimes to the detriment of his allies, i think he would leave for peter meyer and liz cheney and, you know...

Colleagues wondering where this is coming from and whether the president is actually getting access to the full scope of the facts or whether he is purposely being kept in the dark? my hope is if they actually want to try to salvage this thing he has to do some dramatic changes. it starts with firing ron klain and tony fauci, some of these failed messengers that don't have the trust of the american people. you have to govern for the american people and stop governing for this fringe element on twitter. >> dana: personnel changes might help but i think it all flows from the top, right, the lead...

Against trudeau and the liberal party and so on. so that is in common. so i think the issue, the anti-vaccine mandate issue is not the same issue, as some of the issues driving either right wing populism in europe or the trump phenomenon that is similar to both of those. in those cases we don't see that despite the existence of the confederate or nazi flag, this is the authoritarian-inspired protests. what we know, libertarianism has a relatively shallow base in canada. that's not likely to sustain significant populist parties. >> let me jump in there. that's quite right, those involved are a ...