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20,000 people in phoenix even know that he was deceitful by omission, or are they going to go home and tune into fox news, listen to am talk radio and never be told that fact and, therefore, be none the wiser? >> look it's not our job to focus on the negative, it's our job to get the facts right. somehow, salina, we're just in this media world where it seems as though these -- these are the diehard trump supporters but not a fringe element, not a small portion of our country. let me show you the latest poll. this is a monmouth poll from just last week. is there anything that would make you dis...

So to declare that something is over or something has begun is almost, you know, meaningless with this president. what we do know is trump's world is the hotel california. he has checked out but is he not likely to leave. he still has the president's cell phone number. stevsteve. >> bret: you mean steve bannon. >> steve bannon. is he off the leash in the new sort of order that general kelly is trying to impose where the white house chief of staff controlled who goes in to and out of the office and who sees the president. but i think steve bannon is very much going to be in president trump's ea...

So to declare that something is over or something has begun is almost, you know, meaningless with this president. what we do know is trump's world is the hotel california. he has checked out but is he not likely to leave. he still has the president's cell phone number. stevsteve. >> bret: you mean steve bannon. >> steve bannon. is he off the leash in the new sort of order that general kelly is trying to impose where the white house chief of staff controlled who goes in to and out of the office and who sees the president. but i think steve bannon is very much going to be in president trump's ea...

>> reporter: joining the debate, the chief strategist steve bannon slammed white supremacists to the progressive american prospect saying, et no nationalism, it's losers, it's a fringe element. we've got to help crush it, you know, help crush it more. at first bannon claimed he didn't know he was being interviewed. >> he called me. and weirdly he never said that we were off the record. >> reporter: but sources close to bannon said he intended them to divert attention from the president's comments on charlottesville. one source told cnn, bannon knew full well this would distract from criticism....

Tragic events in charlottesville. if president trump is coming to phoenix to announce a pardon for former sheriff joe arpaio, then it will be clear that his true intent is to enflame emotions and further divide our nation." last weekend president trump seemed to hint he might pardon arpaio, convicted of refusing to follow a judge's order barring him from racially profiling latinos. >> you might be surprised to find out who else is condemning white supremacists -- steve bannon. the president's chief strategist calling them a collection of clowns. a collection of clowns and losers. this was in a...