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Decorated intelligence officer and regarded as highly credible and efficient and good at his job. and his behavior really changed in the last few years, and especially since he left the government, he's gravitated more to these fringe elements. and if you look at his twitter feed, it's like trump's twitter feed, but on troisteroids. it's a lot of breitbart articles and info wars and sort of conspiracy theories out there, that is really not what you would expect from a retired three-star general and intelligence officer, with the kind of background and gravitas that he had. >> phil, let me stay...

Actions, like the potential invasion of iraq. there were many republican realists, very opposed to that action, worried that we'd go the wrong direction. and there were many neoconservatives that were pushing bush to take that action and to sort of own the middle east in a way that we never had before. and i think what jeb bush is doing is he is trying to paint those skeptics as fringe elements. and they simply aren't. they included people like brent scowcroft, his father's best friend, something that hasn't come up much in a media discussion. so there were a number of people that were all of ...

With them, they can. we don't want to and i think we have a right to decide that we do not want a large number of muslim people in our country. your reaction to that? >> well, victor orban, has a long long hihistory of this rac rhetoric. he's not alone. there are leaders across the european continent. fortunately many of them are fringe elements. but they are often heard at times like this saying things that are frankly islamophobic and racist. hungary has economic problems of some magnitude and it is overwhelmed with the arrival of so many refugees. but this kind of language doesn't help. it ...

They think they have a mandate from god to own this land. and they're willing to do whatever it takes. these fringe elements are re religious extremists. it doesn't matter who it is. they think it's okay. >> the woman you spoke to and one of the things that was sort of bracing about this was she was remarkably honest about his motives. she was like it's zero sum. there's only so much land. we want it all. we will do what it takes to get it. >> i asked her, if this violates human rights she was like i only believe in the human rights of god. that's her rationalization. she doesn't care about th...

And assassinations of people have has to be laid at his door. i think there's too many of them. they happen too often for this to be accidental, episodic, the work of fringe elements in russia who may be playing their own agendas. >> and in russia itself, how much public speculation of this sort are people exposed to? >> very little. i mean, there is no tv station that will have a discussion of this. none. there is an internet tv station which has a very limited reach in russia that will be discussing this. there is one radio station that has national reach that will gingerly discuss it becaus...