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Ideas. the ones that were behind his comment. joining me now is michelle goldberg author of the "means of reproduction, sex, power, and the future of the world." always good to see you. >> you, too. >> you have done as much work on this, reproductive politics as anyone. so if you take akin's somewhat bizarre comment out of the fold, get rid of his odd biology lesson, how in or out of the republican or pro life mainstream are his actual policy idea? >> that's what's so fascinating. his ideas about reproductive biology have some precedent in the pro life movement, including this guy, john wilke,...

Biology have some precedent in the pro life movement, including this guy, john wilke, who was a major romney surrogate in 2008. but that aside, this belief there should be no exceptions in cases of rape and incest, no exceptions really except to save the life of the mother, has gone in a really short amount of time from being a fringe position in the republican party to being the normative position in the republican party. mitt romney was the only one of the presidential contenders or of the republican contenders for the nomination who believed there should be exceptions. his vice presidential...

Nervous when we start even having a conversation about taking away these kind of basic rights of women, even if it feels like, oh, this is a political winner. you know, i'm not sure because we've got personhood on, what, 11 ballots in the u.s.? >> i don't want to take away from the fact it's very, very serious. i think the national conversation around reproductive choice, reproductive freedom and justice in this country has taken a very sharp right turn in the last couple of years. personhood used to be a fringe position now it's on -- >> we have 12 different states pushing personhood. i think...

Stand up to delegates, to local elected officials who think there shouldn't be this right even in the case of rape or incest, then he's not that far away from the spirit and the problem that mr. akin has put on the table, even if they don't share the same medical interpretation. that's the problem with the republicans. >> that's right. this isn't a case where you have an outliar who made some gaffe. what's happened here is somebody had articulated at an inopportune moment the actual mainstream position of the republican party today. that's what the establishment is freaking out about in the pa...

Washington and fight for his ideas. the ones that were behind his comment. joining me now is michelle goldberg author of the "means of reproduction, sex, power, and the future of the world." always good to see you. >> you, too. >> you have done as much work on this, reproductive politics as anyone. so if you take akin's somewhat bizarre comment out of the fold, get rid of his odd biology lesson, how in or out of the republican or pro life mainstream are his actual policy idea? >> that's what's so fascinating. his ideas about reproductive biology have some precedent in the pro life movement, in...