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Did not happen that what we see did not happen. and so, these events nine months passed that before we get this commission going. that's vital because republicans are playing their usual trumpian's stalled tactic. they want to run this thing out until the midterms. we need to get the american people to see what really happens before the midterms. >> it's all what i call part of the frog boiling experiment you mentioned trying to get us to not believe what we saw on live television, the video we play here every night and i know in your buy owe, we spent a brief time of your life as an investiga...

Verse what the president is being alleged of and what he will be impeached for tomorrow. again, rudy just comes out and says it. >> well, i think it's also part of the mick mulvaney defense, get over it. see, we did this, yeah, yeah, yeah. and i'm wondering, jon meacham, is there any character figure in history, any situation in history that parallels this? i mean, this is, i think, a new level, a new arena where the truth is being devalued by being put out there and saying, yeah, get over it and whether it's the legal community or the journalists covering the story or ordinary everyday americ...

Matters making sure they hold in those republican senators and there's no sort of jailbreak there. and on the public front, we're in month two of this. they have seen their numbers hold up among republicans. they feel their numbers are holding up in those battleground states, michigan, ohio, wisconsin, the places that really matter despite what you see in the national polls. and the president's approval rating, while it is bad, has been bad his entire presidency. and even among the midst of this they see his approval rate offing holding in that 39%, 40%. so there is not a sense, at least of ye...

Why manafort? >> senator jeff flake of ariz a arizona, retiring republican, described the republican party under president trump to me as a frog boiling in water. it's been conditioned to accept the mueller investigation is going to escalate and even if it's a problem, you shouldn't pay too much attention to it because president trump is in control. i asked senator flake and many other republican officials about if that's the case, if this is a party controlled by president trump and being conditioned by president trump to not really get alarmed about robert mueller, w45hat would be the breaki...

They understood it was going to be a pattern of behavior, accuracies, activities, clearly the president, not just in his tweets, but the talk of pardons of people who are on trial right now, implying if they didn't go along and cooperate with the investigation they could be pardoned. the sheriff's pardon in arizona clearly telling folks you don't have to abide by lawful subpoenas. firing comey, and asking for his loyalty, threatening to fire mueller previous time. you put it all together and i think we have met the burden. this investigation is going to take much longer and we need to be patie...