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Trump/carson thing and if you noticed at one point after that attack on john kasich trump turned to ben carson and winked which i thought says a lot, you know, about what's going on. >> trump and kasich went after each other relatively early on before lehman brothers. let's play that. >> first of all, john got lucky with a thing called fracking, okay? he hit oil. he got lucky with fracking. believe me, that's why ohio is doing well, and that's important you to know. number two, this is the man that was a managing general partner at lehman brothers when it went down the tubes and almost took ev...

Medicare and medicaid it sets off an alarm, hearing someone say they are going to send tens of millions out of the country and break up families, enough. looking at tax schemes, at some point you get to the tipping point where you see people need to know what the truth is. >> and it's a way to try to get traction, right? >> look. people in the press say was this plan the, was this a scheme? no, i was talking to my supporters in ohio and frankly i had been getting more and more fed up listening to this stuff, and i had a lot of people encourage me -- in fact, i got a call from a former senator ...