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You can quantify this. during the period in question from the summer through september of this year, more than 60 ukrainian scivilians wee killed. it is an active conflict. this is not a cold war. the other way you can think about this, ali, is going beyond ukraine and remembering that ukraine is a front line state. if yukraine did not have the resources to defend itself, that would be seen as a green light to vladimir putin, not to push further into ukraine but to look into places like georgia and catastrophically for us to take aim at nato ally. it is catastrophic for us because nato allies ...

Home are not paying attention to a lot of this. why does this matter for terms of national security. >> i think he has it right in his prepared opening statement. this is about more than wrong doing and potentially even illegality. this is a national security concern precisely because ukraine is what he termed a front line state. ukraine is on the border between russia and the west. both literally and metaphorically. ukraine has been a partner of ours ever since it became independent. and it is important that we maintain that partnership and that we work with ukraine to maintain the territoria...

Continues these attacks, for instance, air strikes in syria, then they will carry out more attacks and at the same time, we know from our interviews, i just interviewed the turkish prime minister, you know a major frontline state against isis and this whole war, unless the war in syria is stopped and unless isis is defeated, none of this will stop. isis will not be defeated from the air. it has to be a ground force of some kind. this may be a turning point, we don't know. the bottom line is from every military person you talk to, almost all the national security community around the world and ...

By this morning. now both sides are holding talks. they have the frontline troops in what is called a frontline state. earlier in the week there was an exchange of the fire over the dmz. the heavy fortified area. so last we spoke the talks were going on for six hours. where do we stand now? >> reporter: they're still continuing. i could connect is skb say that we're about to hit eight hours they're continuing into the night. it's 2:10 in the morning, and no indication that they're letting up soon. history is saying that it's several more hours. from what we understand these types of talks have...

Shopping mall two years ago. >> this is a moment for everyone throughout the country to be vigilant as we confront and defeat our enemies. >> reporter: kenya's president was visibly shaken. his country is too. braced for more. >> this could be a prelude to other attacks, mostly in nairobi or in ethiopia and against western. >> reporter: critically injured students airlifted to hospitals in the capital. hundreds more traumatized in what was the deadliest ever attack on a university. kenya once again a frontline state in the battle with islamists. craig, one of the aims of the al qaeda-linked gu...