And gary greg is author of "securing democracy: why we have an electoral college." thank you, gary, for taking the unpopular position tonight. somebody has to be in the barrel, basically, and you're in there. >> i'm here for you. >> make the case, why it's good for this country that we have an electoral rather than popular vote? >> it works, chris. we get presidents, we get presidents with limited controversy, 99% of the time, we're not fighting in courthouses across this country, recounting in precincts. we had a diverse population that got to weigh in not just major cities, but those rural p...