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Business side with banks is we'll do the true small business loans. our average small business loan is $215,000. a lot of times those are loans that banks don't want to touch. they're just not profitable enough for them, but we'll do those loans. we often do loans that are $50,000 and below. so these are the people that may need a new landscape truck, may want to keep their restaurant going during tough times. we look at those loans. >> for somebody who doesn't know anything about credit unions, you talk about being a member of a credit union. what does that mean? what do i have to do besides ...

Those loans. we often do loans that are $50,000 and below. so these are the people that may need a new landscape truck, may want to keep their restaurant going during tough times. we look at those loans. >> for somebody who doesn't know anything about credit unions, you talk about being a member of a credit union. what does that mean? what do i have to do besides take your money for my loan? >> sometimes it scares people, it means you just open an account at a credit union. last year 2 million people opened accounts at credit unions so really waking up to the power of credit unions. i think th...

Discouraged that they can't get through on phone lines. no one has shine on their streets. it is cold. they don't have power or water. what's the frustration level like? >> people are somewhat moving from the deconstruction phase to the desire for a reconstruction phase. they want to put their lives back together. the help is not forthcoming. the biggest disappointment for me has been through con-ed. i have 10,000 people in the beachfront communities that were hit the hardest and they had 100 inspectors going door to door. when is that going to be done? i lost it yesterday. i said i can't beli...

Documents has been thrown out there so many times in nine hearings that eric holder has participated in in front of this committee and yet you have this frustration level from darrell issa saying this is not what we requested in the subpoena. you imagine the subpoena it has a specific 20 items or something like that that they are looking for, dated documents, exchanges and emails, all that kind of thing that they haven't got even. now you go to the extraordinary length to bring in executive privilege saying we don't have to ever turn over the documents and it raises a huge number of questions....

We were told by organizers he would take questions. as he walked in, one of the organizers said due to time, that he would be unable to answer questions. he is back on the hill right now. there is a slew of reporters hanging out outside the capitol where he is expected to walk in at any moment. given his fwhaifr last couple days because there are so many people camped out outside the capitol, you can bet he will find a different way to get in there. another scene like we saw right there is not something that will look good for the campaign. >> let me ask you about mr. compaign's demeanor. i kn...