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>> i have never seen an aircraft shout down by a missile, i have to say -- >> thank goodness for that. >> but what i did see was something entirely different than the holes that you see here. they were tight state general. they sliced through these metal. these are not like that. this is puncture of objects going through that aluminum and pushing the aluminum back as it goes through. so the obama other thing i could think of, from the outside that would have caused anything similar, would be the uncontained engine failure that is clear there's nothing from the inside going out on these skins. ...

>> what could have happened, you don't need to blow the aircraft out of the sky. for it to fall out of the sky. this missile only had to hit the aircraft. >> as peter -- >> a wing, a tail plane. >> as peter gould said, when an aircraft is hit like this, it in his words unzips and falls apart. >> all the fasteners around it start to fall apart. so it's essentially the plane could have come out of the air in one piece. but extremely distressed. because obviously it has been hit by a missile. and what you're seeing there is the fuel explosion. >> fareed? >> what this reminds us is of the enormous...

Even gliding down you are going to be into the ground. >> the key is ten or 12 minutes you have plenty of time to send a signal. >> that is the problem. pilots are trained to go immediately to do two things. one is fly the airplane in an emergency and the other is to communicate. now, no transmissions came out of that aircraft, none. no pilot made a transmission. you are trained to call for assistance. you can then communicate with a company and even the manufacturer. nothing and that implies to me what is being worded now a catastrophe occurred. >> what do you mean by that? >> a catastrophe. ...

Dissent. so they were at 3500 feet, do the math. in ten or 12 minutes, clyde glideing down, you will be into the ground. >> in ten or 12 minutes, you have plenty of time to send a signal. >> that's the problem. pilots are trained instinctively do two things, drive a plane in normal or mjs the other is to communicate. now no transmissions came out of that aircraft. none. no pilot made a transmission. you are trained to call for assistance. you can communicate with the company, even with the manufacturer, nothing and that implies to me what is being wored now a catastrophe occurred. >> what bowl...

Like a jigsaw puzzle. the conclusion, a wiring issue sparked an explosion near an empty fuel tank but tom, working on his ph.d. in physics is unconvinced. he spent the last 17 years interviewing witnesses and whistle blowers, saying the government is lying about the crash. >> i think what's most important is to open this investigation again, get an honest look at it from an unbiased group of investigators. >> i saw the beginning of a fuel explosion, petrochemical explosion, and that was the big fireball that so many people observed. but that was the fourth explosion. >> i think they're prepost...