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Citizens. >> randi weingarten is the president of the national federation of teachers. it sounds like they're saying you had undue influence on the cdc to make policy, i guess, about when schools would reopen. what's your response to that? >> so, you know, we represent teachers and nurses. we're actually the fastest growing nurses' union these days. and with the biden administration coming in, they want to reopen schools more fulsomely. and we said during the transition, you feed had to have clear, scientific-based guidance that people can understand. i mean, most of us are not scientists. so ...

If we knew in 2020 what we knew in 2021, schools would have been reopened more fulsomely. but at the end of the day, of course i care about the effects of covid. and what we've been trying to do in the last two years is how do we actually overcome those effects. and so what i just did a couple of weeks ago was there are two interventions i think right now will really help. one is community schools, wrapping services around schools. because we do that, we really wrap not just food services but mental health services, health services, after school programs, all these programs that will help kids...

To cooperate more fulsomely? >> i hope so. bottom line is, make it stick. make it stick. i mean, look, if it's worth anything, it's worth the ink on the paper it's written on, make it stick. there's no -- in light of everything that we know now, there's no reason why cipollone should not be in front of that committee, and he can sit there and he can do a michael flynn and just plead the fifth, and we'll take it from there. but he has to appear. make it stick. >> we'll take it from there. i love that. michael steele, miles taylor -- go ahead. i see you. >> i was just going to add, nicole, i've ...

Who didn't have deep pockets to cover the kinds of lawyers that the senior folks might have. it was a change in lawyers that precipitated this more fulsome testimony on tuesday night. what does that say to you that the lawyers were perhaps impeding or discouraging or refusing to allow her to, like i said in farrah's words, cooperate more fulsomely and asked, quote, how do i do this? >> i think, unfortunately, it's not surprising, but i think it raises a whole host of certainly ethical questions like if this group of attorneys that for assigned to the lower-level staffers are all being paid by ...

Happens in the past and i think that there are threats in our economy, and our role is to provide oversight, provide recommendations, oversight recommendations to prevent this from happening and it's still cell vant and pertinent today and once people understand and hear the full story behind the course of the hearings, it will be clear why the work of this committee is so important. >> one of your witnesses, cassidy hutchison who was special assistant to the president and when i worked there the second or third most senior official in the west wing, there was a reporting in politico today tha...