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With each other rather than can we figure out exactly what is taking place here? and -- dr. fauci made the definitive statement unequivocal that we did not and do not fund gain of function. and yet the wuhan lab -- this is in a significant way what they do. now, if there's third parties at the federal government giving money to that then gives money to these entities that do nt do gain of function research, they would know more about that than you and i. we're the outsiders. i mean, even though you've written a fantastic piece on this. they know if they're giving money to gain of function acti...

It through humans. >> this is a gain of function research where you are looking at a deadly pathogen and figuring out exactly that. what could happen to make it more deadly. that is to say it is gaining the function of lethality. at the time at the university of wisconsin and the researchers of netherlands undertook the study they had the full backing of the united states government and a bunch of different grants but when the results were published and they showed that changing the protein profile you could get this virus to exist and reproduce in the lungs of mammals, moving away from birds,...

Referring to was judged by qualified staff up and down the chain as not being gain of function. let me finish. >> taken animal virus and you increase transmissibility to humans, you are saying that is not -- >> senator paul, you do not know what you are talking about quite frankly. the one and then he read the nih's own definition of gain of function. now if all of dr. fauci's friends and colleagues up and down the chain, whatever that means say it wasn't technically gain a function research, well then, i guess it settled. he's just totally off the hook. while according to a visibly shaken dr....

Dollars is riding on preserving the idea that all is going to be okay? >> over the last several weeks the chinese authorities have been very explicit that they were going to not tolerate any misinformation. laura: are satisfied with all the transparency about the trajectory of the disease and the origin of the disease? >> my direct interaction with chinese scientists, i can believe what they are telling me. laura: now it is clear why fauci was so adamant that everything from the chinese was above board. he stands to get crushed if it turns out taxpayer dollars that he helped funnel to the wuha...

Has not funded again a function research to be conducted in wuhan institute. in his book collins lloyd. >> categorically deny that the nih the subcontract was permitted to do anything that created a virus that would've been in the stress militate >> we show you the evidence and you know each time we presented that evidence of that nih press office reports by saying that the coronavirus experience in the wuhan laboratory. so we went to the world's leading expert on this kind of thing. he gave us on the record