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>> let's talk about a possible 14th amendment action, if you will. the president has yet to rule out the use of the 14th amendment. would you support action taken by the administration that doesn't involve congress. should we be considering a longer term solution to address that limit instead of kicking the can down the road? >> i prefer to have a functioning congress. not driven by a small group of very, very radical, in my view people on the far-right. so not having that, we could explore every possible option that is by the rules. i am a former member of the rules committee. if that turns o...

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Closer, i think, i hope for the sake of the country that there are five responsible republicans. all we would do is, ask the president has insisted on, is do a clean debt limit extension as has been done 78 times in this country. >> let's talk about a possible 14th amendment action, if you will. the president has yet to rule out the use of the 14th amendment. would you support action taken by the administration that doesn't involve congress. should we be considering a longer term solution to address that limit instead of kicking the can down the road? >> i prefer to have a functioning congress...

Editor at large for msnbc political contributor. also with us, dnc and dccc advisor, former spokesperson for the house oversight committee. good to have both of you with us. what do you make of the viktor orban, ron desantis comparison, do you understand why he has become the darling among right-wing extremist republicans? >> i mean, he is not just the darling here. he is writing the playbook, the talking points for republicans like ron desantis. it is very interesting because you have right now all of this rhetoric from people in congress like jim jordan who cherish the so-called weaponizatio...

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