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Anti-democratic decision. understand, the filibuster itself is an anti-democratic or un-democratic rule. the notion that the majority does not rule. it can be controlled by a minority. bypassing the filibuster rule happens all of the time in the senate and happened a couple of weeks ago. >> right. with the debt ceiling. >> with the debt ceiling. they do it all the time. they carve out exceptions. and what better exception than to have a functioning democracy. >> right. to be clear when you say democratic, you are talking small d, democratic. >> right. i am. the former big d democratic governor...

Look, i think we believe in a participatory democracy or we don't. it's as simple as that. and the idea of making in convenient voting, or inaccessible to people on purpose to can gain advantage, it's completely antithetical to a functioning democracy. it's not new, it's not new. but it is a problem whose ugly undersides, i think, are apparent for everybody to see right now. we have real reform legislation that has moved through the house, it has the support of the american people, and it's stuck in the senate because people are hiding behind procedural rules and other procedures, i think we n...

It back. >> christina, what can we expect from congress if republicans do indeed take control. what happens on the second anniversary of the january 6th insurrection? >> well, what we know about republicans, jonathan, they play offense. democrats are the ones who play defense. whenever democrats get into power, they look around and say, republicans, what would you like to? do that's in the spirit of democracy, sure, but we are not there anymore. if the democrats, who have the majority, no matter how severe maybe, they need to figure out how to pass voting rights legislation. how to pass the ge...

Elected officials who would not provide for access to our constitutional rights to vote, but they are trying to subvert millions of peoples rights to vote. is extremely important, because our democracy is at stake. i see what they are doing, in terms of a move toward auto crowd to government, and a system that would not allow for the democracy that we all know so well. >> congressman lieu, we know that this election maybe has a rule about a criminal referral against donald trump. what do you think are the next steps in the committee's investigation? >> let me first say that congresswoman lee i...

Last word, election officials in arizona released a 93-page report debunking every claim made by the cyber ninjas in their sham audit. now, the cyber ninjas are shutting down. that's good news. but a similar partisan audit is still being pushed in pennsylvania, even if no fraud is found. has the damage though already been done? >> well, no fraud was found here in pennsylvania. other than maybe a handful of cases where individuals were trying to cast an extra ballot for donald trump. what's happening here in pennsylvania is a sham audit, one where republicans in the state senate have demanded t...