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Honestly, the federal education department can close down for a week and nothing dire is going to happen. nih, cancer trials, you know, the whole d.c. government, veterans affairs, treating veterans hospitals, that's another question. so i think you can pick and choose for a while, but the key point, i think republicans can now play this into the debt ceiling negotiation. that has to be a negotiation. there are not 50 democrats in the senate who will vote for a clean debt ceiling increase. there certainly aren't 218 republicans in the house. at some point harry reid, mitch mcconnell, john boeh...

Harry reid in a conversation that he had with speaker john boehner this morning. boehner made clear in private what he's said in public, that he cannot move the pass a bill that funds the entire government without at least some give on the part of democrats on obama care. i'm waiting to hear back from the speaker's aides to see what their perspective of that conversation is. but it gives you a sense of how entrenched they are for real. slinging barbs at each other but also behind the scenes. >> what's the latest on the piecemeal legislation that the gop, the republican lawmakers of the house, ...

Are going to do today is move five of those small bills. they moved three yesterday. they didn't get the two-thirds vote they needed because it was on the suspension calendar. today they'll have a regular rule. they'll only need a majority. they'll get a majority. yesterday they got 38 democrats to vote for those bills. >> are they going to move all five? >> i believe so. funding nih, funding veterans. i think that's a tough -- that's a shrewd move by speaker boehner. i gather that some democratic senators have gone to senator reid and say i don't want to vote against funding nih. >> you have ...

The republicans are making it very clear, they're not hiding the fact they are listening to what's going on in the media, listening to the xlanls out there and they're going to try to add some things to try to ease the pain of the most vocal and the most horrible. one of those is nih because of the fact that they fund clinical trials, especially for children. i asked harry reid about that and why he won't at least support that. if you all talked about children with cancer unable to go to clinical trials, the house is supposedly going to pass a bill that funds at least the nih. give whan you sa...

Maybe i'm not simply winning this. maybe it's time to be president and call the leaders down to the white house for a discussion. i think the republicans have handled this pretty well over the last 24, 48 hours. again, i think that's a pretty smart tactic. it's legitimate, too. it really is going to fund nih and d.c. government. how do you f you're a democratic government, say, no, i'm sorry, we can't do that because we have a separate disagreement over the continuing resolution. >> senator kristen gillebrand was saying you can't pick and choose what part of government you want to fund. you kn...