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Around them, that's how they have generated so much loyalty over the years, also you know, they're known for when you're not loyal back to them, making sure they don't forget about that. i think that's a big part of it. i think there's more pressure on them to talk about these down ballot races and i also think there's kind of a long term goal here. democrats are looking at georgia as a place that, yes, in 2020, yes in 2024 is going to look like north carolina, going to look like virginia. it's a state that is really on the future map for the democratic party and when you look, you're talking ...

Chris, or the debate at hofstra earlier this week were going to somehow turn this around for obama, it hasn't happened yet. >> it's slowed it down. i think you're seeing some evidence that it sort of -- romney didn't lose any ground. he didn't peel anything, but i think the president stopped the erosion. >> let me ask you about this question of what you think. i know you guys don't want to take political positions or partisan positions, but i will. in fact, this is an impartial analysis. i think the american people will not vote for nothing. they're not going to vote for obama's track record, ...

Ago. i mean, they're starting to put down the fact of this late recovery. >> that could be a huge challenge. the idea that the vp debate, chris, or the debate at hofstra earlier this week were going to somehow turn this around for obama, it hasn't happened yet. >> it's slowed it down. i think you're seeing evidence that it sort of -- romney didn't lose any ground. he didn't peel anything, but i think the president stopped the erosion. >> let me ask you about this question of what you think. i know you don't want to take political positions or partisan positions, but i will. in fact, this is an...

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