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Decision in the words of oliver north to suddenly step down? he had, of course, interacted with butina in moscow three years earlier, and the nra could shed light on this. we would love to bring you their side of the story. any comment, with anything vague, anything. but they are declining to comment tonight. same for brownwell. corn reports he's not taking calls. i'm joined now by the reporter at the center of the action, david corn, washington bureau chief for mother jones. david, we always learn a lot from you. i appreciate you joining me this friday night. >> thanks for having me on the we...

I don't know that and i don't make any predictions on what the mueller investigation is going to be or the butina investigation, which is separate. we keep being surprised. and the big picture here, ari, is that we keep learning new things. things that we didn't know a week ago, six months ago. so on all of these investigations involving michael cohen, trump/russia, and of course the nra investigation. but it was, as you noted, it was very puzzling when the nra went through this leadership change. i remember getting the press release and it was weirdly put. oliver north is poised to become nra...

Very much involved, having gone on trips that butina organized and having been one of the nra highest officials that she had cultivated. >> when you look at the nra, which has a lot of seasoned political professionals, people may disagree with their views on gun rights and access to guns, but these are people who have been around washington, made it to the top of one of the most powerful organizations around. how can one benignly or positively explain the complete idiocy or ignorance that would be required to think that an authoritarian country would have a vibrant, private gun rights movement...

And others who lawfully own guns to join news this campaign to reduce gun violence. i say to you, i know you didn't create this problem. but we need your help to solve it. >> national rifle association, though, campaigned hard against the president's crime bill. and encouraged gun owners to pressure their representatives to vote no. future nra president at the time, charlton heston, said the effort was an attack on law-abiding americans. >> i'm amazed at -- as was true in the civil rights struggle in the '60s, how much deception, how much deliberate misstatement of reality is taking place in...

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