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This point basically four years into a term. what do you think of that argument? >> i just don't think it is true. we have seen deep rehe sections in america's past, both deep past and more recent past where recoveries have been much more vigorous even with deep financial holes. wispiered the wrong policies. george bush and bill clinton are not on the ballot. mitt romney and barack obama are on the ballot. romney is proposing tax reform and regulatory reform and a wise budget strategy and trade and the president has proposed tax increases. >> chris: i want to move on to another subject and thi...

Let me touch on-the-job numbers for a moment. i don't think that the bad jobs report materially changes the way people feel about the economy. the president needs is people to begin to feel differently about the economy at least to have more hope. if you think about the message that he transmitted during the convention it was give me more time, we are on the ride track, it as hard long road but we are going to get there. think of what he would have been able to do with a really good jobs report. late though it may be in the game in terms his message and advertiseing that would put some evidenc...

And may to some degree be discounting that and it may not have the dampening effect that we are talking about. >> i find it hard to leave that you are one of those that gave up trying to find that job that you are discounting and deciding this is the new normal. the thing to watch by the way because this is what democrats will be watching out of this convention. one of the main things they were trying to do is energize all of the sub sectors so important in 2008 to the president's election. when you look at the polls including the gallup one, one of the things democrats are concerned about is ...

"wall street journal" and fox news political analyst juan williams. now, polling numbers seem to show that president obama got a bit of a bounce from the democratic convention. put them up on the screen. on thursday, gallup's 7 day rolling average had obama leading romney by one point. but as of saturday the lead has grown to 4 points, 49% to 45. trust me. i guess we are not going to see those. there we go. brit, whey do you make of that? flue is think that the democrats got more out of their convention than the republicans got out of theirs. going second is better. we really saw that four yea...