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Lives associated with what came out of this. >> my next guess dismisses much of the criticism as partisan game-playing and is appalled by what she views as demonizing a captured american soldier. jan joins us from washington. welcome. >> thank you, carol. >> many of your fellow democrats criticize this five for one swap and the white house's lack of notifying congress beforehand. why do you think this is partisan? >> oh, i think most of the criticism has come from the republican side. even from people who in the past have said they really want to see bowe bergdahl taken back, that we should re...

So i think the republicans have made a hash of this and i think the public, frankly, is sick and tired of all this stuff when we don't have an immigration bill. we don't have a jobs' bill and or a transportation bill. those are things the public wants to see done for this country. this finger-pointing and political game-playing, i think nobody's buying it except the far right and i don't think too many of them are going to vote for hillary if she runs anyway. >> we know clintonland is dispatching surrogates to help media train over the benghazi issue. how much appetite is there for that? how m...

You told the "washington post" it's not our job to go around doing that. >> we've condemned every organization that's on the list of terrorist designated by the u.s. government, but again -- >> why did you tell the "washington post" you wouldn't condemn hamas. >> you claim that you don't want to attack the messenger but this is what happens every time a muslim comes on. you start this game playing -- >> you just told me -- >> public record, 20 years -- >> sir, you -- >> we've been one of the most public organizations in the country. if you have something specific that we have said or done in 2...

You told the "washington post" it's not our job to go around doing that. >> we've condemned every organization that's on the list of terrorist designated by the u.s. government, but again -- >> why did you tell the "washington post" you wouldn't condemn hamas. >> you claim that you don't want to attack the messenger but this is what happens every time a muslim comes on. you start this game playing -- >> you just told me -- >> public record, 20 years -- >> sir, you -- >> we've been one of the most public organizations in the country. if you have something specific that we have said or done in 2...

It was a little bit of game playing, but the issues are serious, and the democrats running for office are not listening to pelosi and axelrod because they know their elections basically rest on this problem. >> eric, we seem to be the only one whose are acknowledging this four-year-old bill. you know, we talked about the fact that the numbers haven't been there. you went through the numbers yesterday on the show. another fear, according to a national review online is that even people who may have started paying, a lot of them having paid yet, will eventually stop paying. that's an issue we hav...