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The stimulus and susan made the point that by gosh, if boll hadn't stepped in things would have been worse. well, in theory, obama knew what he was stepping into and yet at the time when he was elected and when they passed stimulus he stayed at this point in time right now here in late 2012, the unemployment rate, with all the stimulus that was passed, will be about 5 1/2%. we now know, as we spoke earlier, it's 8%, so, even given all that mess that he knew was happening, he said the unemployment rate would be much lower and-- >> it's a lot higher. >> gary b, you're smart on the numbers, you k...

Don't think it's as bad as it is and i don't think any group deserves a major break in this clip to worry about, we're all in it together at this point. we could use a small tax break. >> and basically, isn't it considered, wouldn't it be considered a tax like by the very people who would not be getting it? and wouldn't, and they're the ones creating the jobs? >> i agree, and look it, we're approaching the fiscal cliff and i think the administration misses the point here, we should be talking about tax reform, not raising tax rates. and you know, read the moment of truth, the simpson bowles pl...

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Yeah, no joke. >> behind you? >> and they are not going to come to an agreement, i'm convinced. >> no, really? >> and best case scenario-- >> news. >> and in an election year, don't expect them to-- >> no, i'm not talking-- i'm talking post election, none of this is going to be decided before the election, i'm talking before the lame duck, it will be pushed off into the next session of congress and then the problem here, what we have right now, is we have political leaders who do not want to face the reality. the reality is we've got to have additional revenues, and do that by raising taxes or...

And lawyers say they plan to appeal. i'm jamie colby, great to have you here on the fox news channel. send you back to bulls and bears, get your headlines always at foxnews.com. >> bracing from the verdict. from washington to wall street, to main street. americans watching to see what the high court decides for the health care law next week. gary b, there are three scenarios here, but you say there's one in particular that would really cost taxpayers, what is it? >> it would be getting rid of the-- the individual mandate and leaving everything else. look, i'm not in favor of any way, shape or ...