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In the west wing, have gone there to serve the administration. they must be antsy on this topic. >> they're frustrated on this topic. they went down there, the steve mnuchins, the gary cohens, the wilbur rosses, they went down there bausehey understand tax reform. they undstand big business. being held up, not being able to move forward because they're stuck with, well, the president doesn't want to release his taxes so the resistance is showing up, they're kind of saying, give me a break. this job is hard enough as it is. steve mnuchin did not want to have to come out and say, well, august lo...

Steve bannon's removal is the result has been what we've seen over the past few days, a much more establishment, oriented strategy? >> what i think is that you have a president who doesn't have much grounding in these issues and you've seen a battle among his aids for priemsy an influence on them and i agree with david, i think bannon's initial for rays whether it was on the travel order or on the affordable care act repeal were not successes and donald trump doesn't much care about being inconsistent but he does care about winning and he hasn't been winning and i think that's given an opening...

But i don't think he is listening. >> listening sessions are for show? >> look, i think exactly as you are saying. they are hoping the gary cohens and the steve mnuchins are driving this administration. you know, we have the budget out this morning, it lays it out. i'm not sure, as you are saying, how much traction the policies are getting. yes, the dow is racing. yes, people at the highest level of the incomes are getting a huge benefit as they are seeing in portfolios. the policy, you only have to look at the health care plan to see, who is going to reap the benefit from the repeal and repla...