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The can will always get kicked down the road. it's a plausible argument. >> yeah, because it's proof of-- >> do you have any proof of otherwise, adam. are you kidding? >> and they will to address this in some way in january. we know that. because of the fiscal cliff. maybe they'd kick the can down the road again, but where i also agree with charlie, with unemployment as high as it is, this is no time to have-- >> why, why. >> and by the way, you want to start doing stuff, make a-- >> unemployment as high as it is. >> we have the bowles simpson plan, the ryan plan, where you do it in a concerte...

>> the fight over student loans rates moving on. and to stop those from doubling and now the white house is issuing a veto warning and it wants the low rates and it doesn't like how this legislation pays from. but jonas, you say stop the nonsense because it's only going to drive tuitions higher? >> they're not dealing with a co-issue, when you make loans available at a low rate. it's great because you can go to school. that's what happens to housing i prices, you could afford more home and they could be more expensive. and the student loans and subsidized loans, the government should rather fi...

People respond to that. first of all, gary k. >> well, first off you mention the auto workers toss the auto workers toss that point. it's the unions na basically destroyed gm with the costs and legacy costs out there. the big issue when these things become blobbish, a new word i made up, that's when trouble comes. i don't worry about these things on a smaller scale, but once they get into a larger scale, that's where destruction happens and mandates from unions to the business, i'd rather business controls. >> you have ten seconds, gary b to talk about blobhe bsh. >> i thought he was saying bl...

>> i think this is a classic overreaction, they hear unions and automatically assume that anything unionized is bad for the economy and bad for job growth. >> it is. >> if you look at historic levels of unionization, union membership is at an all time low. jonas is right. when you look at private sector, 6.9% and we're in single digits and more than half of union members right now are in government jobs. are you concerned we're not creating enough government jobs, gary? >> gary, perhaps there's a reason for that. >> point well taken. but you know what? listen, there's a couple of things, look,...

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