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Logic conditions, they are gassy, they have weak grooves, more prone to caving in. there are different kinds of coal operators m some coal operators are very safe and thoughtful about their employees and some coal operators are not. massey energy has a reputation of being one of the companies in the industry with a very poor safety record. >> what do you think is the likeliest and the most productive and the most immediate impact of the possibilities to relieve us of this situation where every three or four years we look at west virginia and hear about a tragedy or elsewhere in the country, bu...

Methane gas that comes into that seam every 24 hours. how does that compare to the methane gas that collects in other mining facilities? >> well, that would be considered a gassy mines, there are mines that liberate far more methane than that one and a number that liberate less than that, but there are ventilation systems in place to remove that gas from the mine. that's required by the law and regulations. so companies know how to manage the methane gas underground. martha: we're hearing owl these individual stories, and one that has surfaced is benny willingham, he was 62 years old, he was j...

Quote, gassy mine because of the methane build-up. then you have at least over the past month a citation for poor ventilation. are we not to assume that there are some problems there? >> well, of course, there's problems. all underground bituminous coal mines by definition are gassy. what we are possibly seeing is that msha shows that this mine is operating under difficult conditions. so they probably have had a lot of inspectors in there who have -- of course, any time you have good inspectors, and these are really good inspectors, they're going to find some problems. but i got to tell you, t...

Protect themselves. reminds me of the lunch i had with john gibson. man it was crazy. >> and gassy. >> that was me, by the way. >> mules -- >> donkies. >> mules are donkies. >> this has to be a walk in the park for a donkey. >> for a pack animal? pea saw it angry because the losers get turned too dog food. >> no. >> oh, i thought they would be turned into food and cans. >> it is a malicious and accurate rumor. >> they are pack animals that are used to carry things. i have to say, kimberly, this has -- high school has to be the coolest place for a lon key. they have nef seen cheerleaders or gam...

She's so bright, she never needs a reading light, emily cam pan owe. [applause] she's as sassy as i am gassy. coh of of of of -- katherine timpf. [applause] and lake michigan is his bathtub. former bodyguard and my massive sidekick, tyrus. [cheers and applause] all right are. emily, you are the lawyer here. and i, so i have to ask you, could it be that, in fact, it's comey that's in trouble now? because of the leak and stuff? he leaked government -- isn't that government material? i'm stupid. >> yes. no, you're not of d. greg: don't laugh. [laughter] >> absolutely. specifically, there's a code...