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Explaining why is this criminal and not civil, and could vit easily been the other waysh and then grown into criminal or vice versa? >> well, tax evasion is a crime, and as you know, chuck, and so this is very typical to have a criminal cases being brought, and now they are mostly brought by federal prosecutors, and state prosecutors are also going to bring many of these cases, and so the fact that it is criminal is not really a surprise here. and we have seen a lot of commentary from the trump organization lawyers saying that, you know, these numbers are small, and these amounts are tiny and ...

For looting the company. so these cases can start small, and i am not going to say that is going to happen here, but when you gate case in the beginnings of it, and really, it is not the end. we are only at the beginning here. >> how long did tyco and i want to remind people that was years and not months. >> it was two years after the indictment of dennis koslowski that he finally was found guilty. and you know, that is a long time. that is a very long time. >> yep. >> it was a small case that got very big. >> gretchen morganson, it is great to get your reporting and expertise on that. we wi...

D.a. failed? >> oh, that's really hard to tell at this point, chuck, of course, we still have to see the paperwork and what the charges are against both weisselberg and the trump organization but the way i see this today is that this is essentially the first layer of building blocks where they're trying to build a tower and i think if they had had enough, i think if the d.a. office had felt comfortable they had enough to bring additional charges or additional defendants into the case they would have done it today. but what they're doing is very cautious and i think it's smart. it would not sur...

Working people, about running background checks, about infrastructure. that is what democrats are united around. >> tucker: can they stop lecturing the rest of us about racism and sexism, since they don't hold themselves to the same standard. by the way, i agree with you. i hope that they talk about health care. i think we would all benefit from that. can they lay off the race and gender stuff a little bit, since they are not playing by those rules? >> again, republicans put nancy pelosi on the ballot. donald trump set himself he was on the ballot, and it democrats picked up 39 seats, having n...

Scandal in american history.t today, the house oversight committee chairman trey gowdy, apparently doesn't get it. he actually is defending the fbi's use of spies and its overall investigation at the russia collusion. we'll tell trey gowdy why he's wrong. will remind everyone watching just why this by gate case, the fisa views abuse, the lying deception, from comey, mueller, the merry band of democratic donors, has recognized the system of justice against your duly elected president. with mueller's runaway investigation on day 378, not a single shred of evidence, president trump and even some ...