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And one thing i'll tel you as a prosecutor that indictment generally goes back to the jury room. that is their guidepost as to when what the case is all about. and those items that are in the indictment there, that lavish spendi you talked about is extremely powerful evidence to a jury. so people like my parents. okay, my dad's a cashier at wal-mart, if he's on thatury and he hears some guy is spending that mucon rugs or i think there's an item in there he spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on clothing, someone like my dad or my mom are going to be absolutely flabbergasted by that. they...

Close to the world trade series. >> absolutely. let's talk about the travel ban. so sayfullo habibullaevic saipov came from uzbekistan in 2010 it is not on the list of the ban syria,libya, chat, iman, yemen, north kor and venezuela. >> islam in that country has been with sometimes u.s. support and anything that's helped to create a backlash tha has radicalized some people in uzbekistan and there isndeed a coder of radicalized uzbeki's around the world and in this case it appears the perpetrator was radicalized in the u.s. after arrivinarriving.

Heard about it yesterday. what do you make of mueller's move to announce his arrest just yesterday was that strategic move. >> yeah first of all it tells us mueller is running a tight ship over there. i know there's talks about leaks but i don't think it's coming from mueller's side, i think it's coming from congress or defense or someone else not his team that's first part of it. they kept a huge secret that would have been big news of it had leaked. also it was unsealed even though the deal was consummated on october 5th. the unsealing of that was yesterday. and i think what that tells me is...

In the run youp of rick gates plea deal meeting with prosecutors from mueller's team. look, we don't need your cooperation. what we want is for you to help us with our core mission between investigating russians. and gates was in interesting position to do that. not only right hand man throughout the cam pin and summer of 2016 when there was a meeting with the returns at trump tower, but stayed on the campaign even after paul manafort was ousted and tin continued to work on the auction with one of the president's close friends tom barack. >> close friends with president hand manafort. so all o...

Involving alex ven der swan. from that transcript and the court filings in his case which have been unsealed, we've now got confirmation that unlike mike flynn and unlike trump foreign policy adviser paup dau done lois, he did plead guilty but did not agree to cooperate with prosecutors. why is that important? he is a dutch citizen, russian speaking. it has been of interest. this question of whether he might be cooperating in the mueller investigation, particularly because of the family that he just married into. his father-in-law, the father of his new wife, is a multi-billionaire russian