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Defense secretary and former cia director, leon panetta. mr. secretary, thanks, as usual, for joining us. as you know, officials tell cnn the u.s. has not ruled out shooting down this spy balloon once it is deemed safe to do so. does the u.s. need to bring this balloon down? >> i think the united states has to take control of this balloon. there are two things that are of great concern here. one is it's determined to be a surveillance balloon, which means that it's gathering intelligence. that's the purpose of surveillance. so that's what the chinese are using it for. secondly, it's maneuverab...

With our cell phone. and they identify that this cell phone was in the area of moscow, idaho, presumably right around this residence where the offender was likely gathering intelligence, who lives here, he's -- knows his targets live there. but who else lives there. where are they arranged in the residence, where do they sleep in the residence. so when he goes back at 4:00 a.m. on the night of the attack, he knows where they're sleeping and immediately he guess to the third floor where he kills madison and kaylee, the first victims. it's really interesting -- and also during that time, the pho...

Said, it is a very big organisation, plenty of things can go wrong, however vigorous your control is, so that is the danger for him but on the particular issues, the met has got more police officers then it had ever had, so it is possible... some of these reductions have made it hard for them to do. when he was head of counterterrorism, he was always very keen then on the impact of community policing, in terms of gathering intelligence or in that case terrorist crimes that were going to happen, but the same applies to all forms of crime, that getting police officers close to the community, rec...

Soon after, stones are thrown at our car as we drive out of the estate. we've just had to leave hemlington really quickly. we were approached by a group of what must have been ten youths. they were saying things like they run the estate. they were only teenagers, but it was pretty intimidating. cleveland police say they're working closely with the council, housing providers, children's services and anti—social behaviour teams to solve problems in hemlington. their neighbourhood policing teams are gathering intelligence, and they say they're committed to working with residents to reduce crime...

Are thrown at our car as we drive out of the estate. we've just had to leave hemlington really quickly. we were approached by a group of what must have been ten youths. they were saying things like they run the estate. they were only teenagers, but it was pretty intimidating. cleveland police say they're working closely with the council, housing providers, children's services and antisocial behaviour teams to solve problems in hemlington. their neighbourhood policing teams are gathering intelligence and they say they're committed to working with residents to reduce crime. across the uk, it's h...