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Positions in that administration. and this group got together and demanded, frankly, of me and of mitt romney that we make a pledge. that we pledge to bring more women into, whether it was my or his administration. so we actually signed, i think he did too, signed the pledge. so when he goes and says that he was out finding all these women, the fact is, the women beat on our doors and said, take these binders. so at least the binders, i think, was truthful. >> but the binders -- so you're saying, just so i get this right, it's not that mitt romney realized that all of his cabinet, potential ap...

Demanded, frankly, of me and of mitt romney that we make a pledge. that we pledge to bring more women into, whether it was my or his administration. so we actually signed, i think he did too, signed the pledge. so when he goes and says that he was out finding all these women, the fact is, the women beat on our doors and said, take these binders. so at least the binders, i think, was truthful. >> but the binders -- so you're saying, just so i get this right, it's not that mitt romney realized that all of his cabinet, potential appointees, as he mentioned last night, were too male in terms of th...

Mitt romney that we make a pledge. that we pledge to bring more women into, whether it was my or his administration. so we actually signed, i think he did too, signed the pledge. so when he goes and says that he was out finding all these women, the fact is, the women beat on our doors and said, take these binders. so at least the binders, i think, was truthful. >> but the binders -- so you're saying, just so i get this right, it's not that mitt romney realized that all of his cabinet, potential appointees, as he mentioned last night, were too male in terms of the pool, and he needed -- he sent...

Watch the matchup? >> yes, but the puckback from the white house, and it is strong i can tell you, after hearing it myself reporting on it over the weekend, it was a moving target. there were men and women on both sides, but clearly the preeminent women and the strongest men in the administration were on opposite sides going into this debate. hillary, by the way was originally a skeptic, then moved over once the arab league endorsement came. >> you remember the great line in the profumo scandal, where the guy denied an affair, and the woman questioned said, well, they would say that, wouldn't ...

Brennan, biden and gates on the other side. watch the matchup? >> yes, but the puckback from the white house, and it is strong i can tell you, after hearing it myself reporting on it over the weekend, it was a moving target. there were men and women on both sides, but clearly the preeminent women and the strongest men in the administration were on opposite sides going into this debate. hillary, by the way was originally a skeptic, then moved over once the arab league endorsement came. >> is it against the looks of this thing or the facts? >> they say both. >> you remember the great line in the...