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Karlan, pamela karlan this is woman who's a constitutional scholar and well-informed. so the fact is no one was looking at this for the stagecraft. >> the other important thing about them is that they chose to be on the right side of history. there are plenty of other people in similar positions who did not speak up and did not testify. and these women had the let's say guts to do so. >> you were going to say something else. >> maybe. but i don't want to be gender specific. i do think it's important to point out, though, when it comes to the impeachment, white women have a lot to atone for whe...

Stagecraft. >> the other important thing about them is that they chose to be on the right side of history. there are plenty of other people in similar positions who did not speak up and did not testify. and these women had the let's say guts to do so. >> you were going to say something else. >> maybe. but i don't want to be gender specific. i do think it's important to point out, though, when it comes to the impeachment, white women have a lot to atone for when it comes to trump. those were minly white women who are participating in the impeachment process, and i'm all here for it. but white w...

Ambassador to ukraine. when you look at fiona hill, it wasn't that somebody chose a woman. this was the woman in the job at the national security council who is the expert on u.s./russia/ukraine relations. when you look at professor karlan, pamela karlan, it's not that somebody went and chose a woman. this is a woman who is a constitutional scholar and well informed. so the fact is no one was looking at this for the stagecraft. >> that's true. but i will point out when it comes to the ambassador and fiona hill, the other important thing about them is they chose to be on the right side of histo...

Possible. we need many, many, many more facts of an dribs and drabs of, "this person maybe worked for a democrat, but we don't know if he can be gender-specific." >> harris: more words, not fewer. >> melissa: i don't trust anyone. i would ask this to jessica -- >> kennedy: and i think there are things the president has done that are also viewed. >> brian: i don't know what you're talking about! [laughter] >> melissa: can't trust anyone on either side of the aisle is a fair assessment. a senior member of the democratic caucus telling fox news how democrats believe they have 217 votes needed to ...