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Terrorist plos had been averted -- certainly not in the united states. i mean, we've had only had about 40 terrorist plots in total in the united states since 9/11, that you can really point too. there, but at the end of the day, this programs was sold to the american public -- or has been sold as keeping americans safety. a, it's very nice, but i think most americans welcome a debate about this program, if it's, you know, not really preventing that many terrorist attacks, or it's at least worth a discussion worth having. >> todayena, i could swear that general alexandre said this nsa program ...

Mumbai. in your estimation -- just kind of give us some insight. the director of the fbi, they've been thwarted. one was -- to disclose a serious plot, because that -- another was david headry, a chicago resident who planned to attack a newspaper. we also heard about that last week, and then heard about two other plots, one without which i couldn't -- it was not at all clear, and another one, which was the plan to attack the new york stock exchange, but there seem to be -- that's three or four plots, not dozens of attacks, as we've been led to believe. so the other 50 plots, which are

Programs saying they are helping americans stay safe. we need you to declassify, because americans, many simply aren't buying it. that's really the whole purpose of having this open hearing. intelligence committees don't have that many open hearings. this is open. that's the main reason why. it will be interesting to see how far alexandre goes in giving details about that alleged thwarted plot with the help of these programs. >> absolutely. glorgeia borger is here, too. it's interesting that president obama gave a very long interview to charlie rose last night where he talked about the nsa lea...

Might not get you off your couch, but there's not a creature on earth that can resist this. good morning. thank you so much for being with me. i'm carol costello. we begin this morning in washington where the nsa controversy is taking center stage on capitol hill. right now the head of the nsa, general keith alexandre -- well, actually in a couple minutes when he's seated, he will tell the committee that the agency's programs helped top two terror plots. it's the first time he'll speak

Magic bullet. there is systemic failures that allowed this to happen. >> does the nsa have to prove that this program that collects phone number and information from the internet, does it have to prove that this in larger part than the other things you mentioned can prevent terrorists? >> yeah, we'll hear from general alexandre and hopefully he'll lay out more details than specific plots that were averted. he mentioned -- as a successful interruption of a terrorist plot. he also mentioned david headley, a chicago resident, who was planning to blow up a bomb outside a danish newspaper in 2009 t...