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Welcome back. moments from now, bill taylor and george kent, two men at the center of today's impeachment hearing, they are expected to arrive on capitol hill. meanwhile, "the washington post" is reporting that two giuliani associates, lev parnas and igor fruman, both indicted, met with president trump at an exclusive event in april of 2018 and then pressured the president to fire the then-u.s. ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch. joining us now, the former director of national intelligence, james clapper. thanks so much, general clapper, for joining us. if that "washington post" is accur...

They'll be streaming it. people will watch it on their iphones. >> are we getting 10 million, 15 million, 30 million? i think there is that question. but i think, for sure, when you see credible diplomats that have served this country for decades coming before the congress and saying this was a bribery scheme that the president was engaged in and not only engaged in this scheme but trying to involve scores of administration officials from the state department, the diplomatic corps, the white house, i think that begins to be a rather compelling case. >> i want you guys both to stand by as well....

This was donald trump who created the lock her up chants with hillary clinton. maybe there's lessons that if >> that was a press conference he's going to incite him in one at the pentagon about this raid way, it going to come back and that killed abu bakral b aal bite him in another. i'm sure that was a very humiliating and awkward moment for the first lady and for the baghdadi, the head of isis. president. >> it seemed that the nats, whoever put together the montages tried to soften it by we heard from general clapper as showing members of the military -- >> instead it just drew a well. contr...

Eliminate their land holding. and as the director mentioned earlier, the isis philosophy isn't going away. and in some cases, they'll seek some revenge here. all of that was important. and you could not have done it without those kurdish forces. and all of that information that gets collected across all of syria in that battlefield feeds back to a place that likely contributed to this successful event. and you can't do it without those allies, of which, candidly, we just walked away from. >> the white house has released this photograph, i want to put it up, it's from the situation room, as the...

But it's certainly not inconsistent with the president's consistent deference to russia and he's constantly looking for opportunities to heap praise on them. so i don't find that surprising. i suspect -- because we don't know exactly the specific technical details of what led to this. typically there's long buildup of gathering, correlating lots of bits and pieces, as chairman rogers indicated, over a period of time. and i'm quite confident that our being on the ground and sharing tactical intelligence, ground level intelligence with the kurds, i'm quite sure, had a lot to do with the success ...