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Syria, and we had lost no americans in syria. we're at risk of losing americans in syria. the conservatives or the people who care about thing like that want some answers. he we haven't had. i find it interesting that that gentleman, kennedy, was up there. honestly, where is hillary? now, that would be good tv, great to watch. and she could say at this point what does it matter anymore? i'd like to hear panetta. there's one guy who i really want to know what he knows, and he went away very fast after benghazi, and it's general hamm. where is general -- i would love to hear what he knows becaus...

Not all of the people back there are there for the wrong reasons. we have some really awesome ones. he's one. another one would be jason chitas and we have talked at least a half dozen times and he gave me his home -- or his personal cell phone. and last january i called him. he happened to be packing up his kids to go to disneyland. he took quite a bit of time out of his schedule and we talked. and one of the things he mentioned to me, he said, i believe it was october 28th, he went back to libya with general hamm. this was the statement he made to me. he said, quote, unquote, general ham tol...

"national review" and also a fox news contributorment thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. patti ann: the general carter hamm says he was in washington on the day of the benghazi attacks, september 11, 2012. he was with the defense center and the joint chiefs of staff chair when they got word of the assault on the consulate. last weekend, general hamm told the aspen security forum, quote, it became apparent to all of us quickly that this was not a demonstration, this was a violent attack. he was asked to clarify how quickly and he said, within hours after the initiation of ...

Benghazi have a basic -- we basically know what the truth is. that the white house or the administration was ill prepared for an attack. we were attacked. it was a terrorist attack because spontaneous protestors don't bring rpg's and coordinate fire. and so it was a terrorist attack. the white house didn't respond to it. american -- brave americans died and afterwards, the white house in the midst of a presidential campaign concocted essentially what they thought was a face saving cover story about what happened and partly out of politics, partly out of error. most people know this and what ca...

As they are right now. we actually made that happen by getting rid of muammar qaddafi and there was a lot of talk at the time saying who are we helping here? who are the rebels in libya? are there terrorist factions inside this rebel forces? and none of those questions have turned out particularly well. and this government is, i think, at best what general hamm called fragile. jon: we will see whether those five suspects that the f.b.i. has identified, whether anything happens to them. thanks. >> thank you, jon. patti ann: brand new information on a possible serial killing case unfolding now i...