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Contractors instead. that was a strategy that hr mcmaster was opposed to and the new chief of staff. this marks a new thinking inside this administration and also a departure from some of what we heard from candidate trump on the campaign trail who ran as a noninterventionist. that's not the reality in the white house. >> let me play for you defense secretary jim mattis on the topic. maybe foreshadowing of what we'll hear tonight. here he is. >> i would not -- i was not willing to make significant troop lifts until we knew what was the strategy. what was the commitment going in. in that regard...

Not quite fox news, but they matter. we have full anticipation their targets are not even democrats or establishment republicans but some in the white house. >> do you know what would stop them? make them stop, president trump, you call breitbart and tell them to not to attack your security adviser. it doesn't go down like that unless the president want it to. >> but steve bannon has signalled that jared kushner, ivanka trump, gary cohn, mcmaster they'll see negative story about them. steve bannon said he won't go after trump by name but he'll hold the administration accountable if he doesn't ...

>> steve bannon was a very strong voice against u.s. interventionism, i suppose, is what he would call it. i don't know if there is another voice as strong representing that point of view within the circle of his top advisers. do you think that could hurt him with the base? >> no, i don't, because i think what the base wants to see is that a process was followed here to get to a good decision. and that's exactly what it looks like. general mcmaster, general kelly led a process to get the president to the best possible decision. i've heard a lot of people say when it comes to policy? in this ca...

To risk our treasure, our men and women at war, that certainly is a sentiment that a lot of americans feel. i think it's a sentiment that his two predecessors felt, but presidents bush and obama understood that only a reluctant commander in chief took the country to war. i understand the policy reviews were almost derailed by almost a petulant refusal to see no good options. >> that's right. in some ways trump has been channeling the views of the american people. the country itself is wary of war after 16 years now. and he wanted to -- you know, give the country an easy solution and just bring...

Pretty significant that the president's having more and more senators speak out against him. he flies into arizona and has two senators, two united states senators who are republicans from arizona who are openly hostile to his actions since charlottesville, and have been more hostile than most. >> that's right. and to follow up on congressman ford's point, you think about the response tonight. if the president strikes traditionally hawkish tones on his rhetoric in afghanistan, you'll see some applause from the regular republican ranks. if the now has bannon out, we always talk about bannon, bu...