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>> fox. >> is this attack on hillary's age part of a two-pronged strategy. here's where he gets sophisticated about the old and new karl rove. he does the dirty work so the eventual republican candidate won't have to. been done before. in 1988, michael dukakis was attacked for being soft on crime. the bush campaign slammed him in an add but let third-party groups carry out the below-the-belt attack. here was the campaign attack on dukakis' policy, the official one, bush campaign. george sr. let's watch it. >> as governor michael dukakis vetoed mandatory death sentences for drug violators, whil...

Become much more rough and tumble and rotten, if you want to put it that way, especially on tv. don't forget, karl was feeding the beast over there at fox. >> fox. >> is this attack on hillary's age part of a two-pronged strategy. here's where he gets sophisticated about the old and new karl rove. he does the dirty work so the eventual republican candidate won't have to. been done before. in 1988, michael dukakis was attacked br being soft on crime. the bush campaign slammed him in an add but let third-party groups carry out the the below the belt attack. here was the campaign attack on dukaki...

Office. the e-mail calls the comments myths. and among other things, takes issue with her characterization of moves by christie's attorneys as threatening. kate zerniki of "the new york times" and the subject of that christie e-mail blast is here with us now. and we're also joined by "new york" magazine's john heilemann, the co-author of "double down" and an msnbc political analyst. kate, thank you for joining us. i recognize sort of the rubric here of generalized pushiness and strong arm tactics. maybe i'm willing to believe what christie is really doing here and the flak surrounding him is t...

In the box with so many people who were a part of the fabric of the president's story. remind us about the grit, the determination and the resilience of the american people who know that things are hard, but do not give up. those were some of the most powerful moments in his speech when he described the stories of the people who were in the box. they reflect what's good about your society. and it was really a call to action to all members of congress, to all american, to businesses, to local and state government officials, everybody can get involved in keeping our country the greatest country ...

Because in november, prior to the election, we weren't even in the game. the game. >> so you think it's possible that the path to citizenship may be included in the eventual bill and are you going to be okay with that? >> look. i think we need comprehensive reform. if there is a path to citizenship that has enough of a realization that we have to respect the rule of law -- >> so you pay real fines -- >> and a longer period of time. >> you know, my problem with the bushes that i think in many ways as family people and citizens they're fine. but they charm you. they've always charmed us. george ...