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Justify his client's refusal to cooperate. joining me now, hugo lowell, congressional reporter for "the guardian." welcome back, walk us through jeffrey clark's role in all of this. how significant of a witness is he in this investigation? what exactly happened? because he showed up, but he didn't answer any questions. >> reporter: that's right, jeffrey clark showed up yesterday for a deposition we think at o'neal office building and he was there to answer questions posed by the select committee. we understand that he at least showed up so as not to immediately face the same fate as steve bann...

Eliminated. they'll get rid of unemployment benefits to kind of make that manifest. and you see that with him sending the united states army against a nonexistent threat. i mean, that is so shocking, even though we've lost the capacity to be shocked. >> he sent the army to kill the enemy. that's what the army does. the army kills the enemy. so, when you send 8,000 troops to the border to stop thousands of people who actually won't even be there for weeks, what you're saying is these people are the enemy and we may need to kill them. >> right. >> it's a gesture of -- and fox was practically goa...

Blinds drop and you realize once again where we are and what kind of civic avatwar we've been plunged into. what is unique right now is the degree to which president trump has create this had big lie about the caravan that has inspired mass murder, but also is now shifting the resources of government to substantiate his lie. something that hannah wrote totalitarian governments won't simply say unemployment has been eliminated. they'll get rid of unemployment benefits to kind of make that manifest. and you see that with him sending the united states army against a nonexistent threat. i mean, th...