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Then there's another group, traditional group that says we've got to circle the wagons, get in, be careful and not do anything too bold. i think that really means you're going to have trouble in coming up with a consensus candidate. >>steve: talking about what's going on behind the scenes is reflected in your new book that is coming out where you talk about how before world war ii, pope pyius 11 wrote a paper that condemned tphaz stkeuism and -- naziism and then the next one, nothing. all politics. >> it talks about pope pyius who saw hitler moving on the scene and said it is one thing to deal...

>> you have hit it on the head. politics is all about electing me and keeping the elected. that's all politics is. if we can just get away from that the whole notion of citizen service. get in, get out. >> i am from the university of denver. within the liberal movement there is a big debate over whether politics or ideas are more important for advancing the liberty movement. >> i read a great quote from margaret thatcher this week. she said first you when the argument, then you when the vote. so i think winning the argument is more important, but political leaders, one of the ways the argument...

Brackets and high school drop-outs aren't doing well and represent a smaller amount of spending than the prop, you know, 50%, and the higher 20% is doing better than anybody. so-- >> you tax the higher end people and they're not going to hire. you tax the higher end people and they're not going to hire those people and it's going to get worse and worse. >> i could hire ten people in the last three weeks, nothing to do with tax rates, nobody wakes up in the morning, i'm going to spend 1% more, so i'm going after a business opportunity. >> but you're tobin smith and-- >> and you brought us-- >> ...

The number of jobs you created, but where you're going to lead this country and then contrast that strongly and put romney on the defensive about the fact how can you actually tell the american people that the policies you support, which are the same that created this mess, are going to lead us to a different direction and then don't filibuster. i love the president, but boy, he has a tendency to go on and on in some of those questions and in a debate, that can get you in trouble. >> get in, get out. new polling is showing mitt romney has narrowed the gap. good news for him. in the last two we...

Speaking here with with haig. >> weeks later, thompson was still being described in the oval office as not very smart but at least beginning to play ball. >> not smart, but he's friendly. >> not smart, but he's friendly. see, that's a bad way to start a presidential campaign. your first debate? maybe been insulted by richard nixon should be seen as a badge of honor in america, but being insulted from anyone being dumb as hell, not a good way to head into your first debate on the campaign trail. once he did get in, the campaign suffered from a lack of get up