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you know, when we see whether or not bob mueller finds there was obstruction, the president tried to obstruct justice or even an indictment against the president, it will hinge on this question of did donald trump intend to obstruct justice, did he intend to interfere in an investigation or is he acting from a deep belief formed over many years that the people around him need to be loyalists who protect him? >> one of the things from the article, a quote from one of donald trump's attorneys in response, mr. trump's lawyers add this novel response. "the presidential has been public about his disdain for the mueller investigation and other federal inquire quiz so he's hardly engaged in a conspiracy. he fired one fbi director and considered firing his replacement. he humiliated his first attorney general for being unable to control the russia investigation and installed a replacement, mr. whitaker, who has told people he believed his job was to protect the people. but that, they say, is donald trump being donald trump. in other words, the presidential's brazen behavior, public behavior, might be his

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best defense. >> well, it's interesting to see that as a defense. clearly his attorneys do see this as a defense, but one of the strange things about the trump presidency is how numb we've become to behavior we would never have put up with in any other leader. we see his own attorney saying this is just another example of the president doing something that in any other administration would be considered unheard of. but because of who he is, how he behaves, how he believes he is al 4r0ud to act we've become numb to it. and this is going to be another example of us letting it go because it is donald trump. >> katie benner, good to sew you as always, my friend. katie benner, justice department reporter at "the new york times." let's unpack the implications of the story. nbc's justice correspondent pete williams and michael conway former counsel to house judiciary committee during the nixon impeachment inquiry. thanks to both of you for being here. michael i want to cite "the new york times" report citing a criminal law professor about this that i was just talking to

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katie about. julio sullivan a criminal law professor at georgetown said she believed there was ample public evidence that mr. trump had the corrupt ip tent to try to derail the mueller investigation. the legal standard for an obstruction of justice case. take that in the context of this particular allegation as printed in the "new york times," that donald trump called michael -- called whitaker, matthew whitaker, when he was the attorney general and inquired as to whether a trump loyalist could be put back in charge of this case, someone who had been recused from overseeing this could be put back in charge. give me your analysis. >> absolutely. this isn't a mystery where we have to dig out the facts. donald trump has said so. it's just another example of him trying derail the investigation of him and his campaign. look back after he fired james comey. he told the russians in the oval office that he did it to stop the investigation. "the new york times" story is

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where the national security adviser is advising the u.s. to take some policy that's contrary to its national security interests but might be getting paid on the back end of it. you know, like this is the stuff i think only exists in airport novels. i didn't know it exists in the real world. >> yeah, reality imitates fiction here. and you know, on the one hand we were concerned about the trump administration acting on behalf of russian interests. and now we have to worry about saudi interests. wholesale is out there that we have to worry about the trump administration acting on behalf of. >> we'd hope it would just be american interests. thank you, sir. good to see you as always. congressman raja krish ma moorthi of illinois. bernie um, bernie's back. the vermont senator made it official, running for president in 2020. the campaign donations by the way already pouring in. but with an already crowded field of progressives how does he stand out in a field that sounds a lot more like he did last time around this time around? that's next. plus later in the hour i'm joined by one of the attorneys general suing president trump over his declaration of a national emergency, in quotes, arguing that the president's use

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trump next year continues to grow. vermont senator bernie sanders, who sought the democratic nomination in 2016, announced this morning that he's launching another bid for the white house. he joins nine other democrats including five fellow senators who are already in the race. sanders' campaign released a video in which he talked about why he's running for president again. >> our campaign is about transforming our country and creating a government based on the principles of economic, social, racial, and environmental justice. together, you and i and our 2016 campaign began the political revolution. now it is time to complete that revolution and implement the vision that we fought for. >> sanders focused on economic issues in 2016, and those same issues will be at the center of this campaign. let's take a look at some of them. one of his signature proposals has been his push for medicare for all, which you know we've been discussing a lot on this

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congressional group comprised of top leaders in the white house -- i'm sorry, in the house and the senate as well as the chairman and ranking members. i'm going to ask my control room to put the gang of 8 picture up because we're on the wrong graphic here. i need to show you who they are. let's put that up. there we go. that's the gang of eight. these are people who are authorized to receive regular briefings on national security intelligence. now, the intelligence oversight act of 1980 requires the cia director and the heads of all departments and other entities involving u.s. intelligence activities to keep this group fully informed of all intelligence activities including any significant anticipated intelligence activities. so mccabe was doing what the law required that he do. but that involves talking to four republicans and four democrats who are sworn to keep the classification of information in a tight circle. so with all the president's reaction and suggestions that the fbi's investigations are proof of a deep state conspiracy

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history down there. >> it is kind of a crazy story and you know all sorts of characters work on elections but you would think if you knew somebody was involved in criminal activity you wouldn't want to be paying them to -- >> but it's also payday for a lot of get out out the vote peo. we're talking about a very rural, poor segment of the state and look for elections as pay y payday. >> interesting. thanks for your reporting on this as always. to another story now. the legal challenges to the president's emergency declaration are officially under way. the latest is from a group of 16 states which is trying to prevent president trump from redirecting billions of dollars to construct his border wall. the states all have democratic governors except one, maryland. the lawsuit claims president trump has ignored the balance of power and, quote, veered the country toward a constitutional crisis of his own making. for more on this, i'm joined now by one of those attorneys general who joined the lawsuit. graywall from new jersey. sir, thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> let's talk a little bit about standing.

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that's the same level as they were in 2009. estates valued at more than $1 billion would be subject to a 77% tax. a short time ago president trump shared his thoughts on sanders' announcement. >> i think he missed his time. but i like bernie because he's one person that you know, on trade he sort of would agree on trade. i'm being very tough on trade. he was tough on trade. the problem is i doesn't know what to do about it. we're doing something very spectacular on trade. but i wish bernie well. it will be interesting to see how he does. i think what happened to bernie maybe was not so nice. i think he was taken advantage of. he ran great four years ago, and he was not treated with respect by clinton. >> sanders won the new hampshire primary in 2016 but this time around it looks like he could face some serious competition there.

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hampshire for us. you can catch much more of her interview with kamala harris sunday on "kasie d.c." right here on msnbc. if you don't always watch it watch it anyway because she has great, great interviews every week. coming up next former acting fbi director andrew mccabe says he told congressional leaders, republicans among them, about the counterintelligence investigation that he he opened into president trump's ties to russia and none of them objected. we'll have those details after the break. you are watching msnbc. (danny) let me get this straight. after a long day of hard work... ...you have to do more work? every day you're nearly fried to a crisp, professionally! can someone turn on the ac?! no? oh right... ...'cause there isn't any. here- (vo) automatically sort your expenses and save over 40 hours a month. without you, we wouldn't have electricity. our hobby would be going to bed early. (vo) you earned it, we're here to make sure you get it. (danny) it's time to get yours! (vo) quickbooks. backing you.

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earlier, danny cevallos was on here, we were speaking to the attorney general of maryland. the question he had, i'm going to paraphrase it, what's the standing of somebody in new jersey or maryland about a border wall on the southern border and a national security issue? >> that's a great question. and a lot of this will be borne out in the l itigation. primarily as state attorneys general we have an obligation to push back against the administration when they violate the rule of law, when they violate our constitution and in this case over a manufactured crisis which the president said he didn't need to do. that hurts new jersey because the min being pulled for this border wall, which is unnecessary, is being pulled from money we could use for public safety in new jersey, which we would use for drug interdiction in new jersey. that's the potential harm to new jersey residents. we intend to use the litigation to find out exactly where the funding will be pulled from. >> i want to play you what the president said on friday which a lot of legal experts are saying may have been his legal undoing in terms of this national emergency. let's listen. >> but on the wall, they

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