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Night? >> sure. well, you know, this happened when i was in the mueller investigation, and people will say, oh, gee, the government must have leaked this. of course the government does have it, but also the defense now has it. it's been turned over as part of discovery, but even more than that, it doesn't have to have come from the government or the defense camp, which would be obviously improper if it came from either of those. but think about the people who were at the meeting. so if you are one of the two staffers who are reported to have been there, and there may be, in fact, more than two...

On the case, in a way that -- either against the doj, or ultimately in its favor. one way or the other. judge cannon's ruling, should this issue come up, which it likely will, will be very insightful. >> bradley, last question to you, we know at least two incidents are alleged in this indictment, about donald trump showing classified information to people who did not have the security clearances. but no charge with him for the crime of dissemination of and the defense information. is that because there just wasn't evidence of that that the doj had to be able to charge him with that particular ...

Also personalized this document. both of those arguments are called into question by paula and the reporting. first of all, there is just no evidence that it's been declassified. that might be contradicted by trump's own comments. the idea that he made a national security document a personal document would stretch thing it is you put it in front of a jury. but what you are hearing from the trump team is not a whole lot of new this and i said as much to jim trusty on wednesday. there's no real explanation for trump's conduct as reported by cnn and as put forward by the justice department as the...

Into this book might be key to one of the special counsel's investigations. cnn reports tonight that in the summer of 2021 two people working on the chief's chief, ghost writers met with president trump at his golf club and one of them began recording. this is full year before he gave the classified documents he took with mim. cnn reports that special counsel jack smith now has this tape. now, nbc news has not yet independently verified this reporting, and cnn has not just actually heard the tape. they've only had it described to them by multiple sources. but on the recording trump reportedly ...

What the intent of the conversation was. it would be different, of course, if he was selling this. >> but you're saying because it's mark meadows, essentially a ghost writers' team that it may be different? >> right. but the question you ask about what was he rustling? one of the key questions that is open here is the document that we're referring to here -- >> all right, it sounds like we just lost ty's connection there froze. i want to go straight to our panel here to respond to what he was able to share with us. ryan goodman and alyssa farah griffin. so, welcome to both of you. alyssa, let ...