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what's a misdemeanor and what the cameras will show a lot of the verbiage used by some of these protesters but what you know what, gillian? if you look what is going on, sandra what is going on this crowd is growing, the governor was quick to bring in the national guard to penn station bring up that veneer she had a safety for everybody. when she gets to numbers like this as nicole said with everything else going on in new york city, how about bringing in the national guard to this end given clearance to them to get them away from those buses because they should be nowhere near those buses should be nowhere near and they are blocking the streets once again which is in violation right there. to what extent you let them protest? this is not peaceful. >> sandra: joe can you stand by for a second we want to get to see be. it seems the numbers of protesters on our live shot there is growing what are you

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pro-palestinian groups were suspended earlier this year which created a lot of tension for students. we have a closer view of this bus and it seems they are trying to backed them out at the moment. not sure they can move. >> you go into your newsgathering, we will squeeze in a quick break. it seems that the buses are and will reverse to get out of the intersection filled with protesters. we are on this cb, we will get right back to you when we re returnlite. insurance claim? that means less stress for you. >> woman: thanks. >> tech: my pleasure. have a good one. >> woman: you too. >> tech: schedule today at safelite.com. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ ♪ grace didn't believe in magic. but her daughter was happy to prove her wrong. you were made to dream about it for years.

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because we cannot continue as a nation to go forward like this. >> gillian: nicole, this is gillian, the president of the university may have a message today by calling in the nypd but is there more she could have done and is there more the university administrators could have done to prevent us from getting or to prevent their school from getting to the point where we are today where you have dozens of protesters getting rounded up by police? you have this protester presents shutting down part of manhattan and you have thousands of jewish students now talking about how they feel not only unwelcome to but physically threatened on their own campus. >> i mean these students are living in fear. how could they not be in fear? look what is happening. this is 2024. what happened to the we are supposed to love one another and accept shutter as they are and we are all going to embrace one another, that is not with these demonstrators are showing.

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police running up in front of the buses. cb says they were stopping the buses from being able to move you can see the police presence beyond those gates there but in the last couple of minutes, the crowd has been dispersing. something just changed, cb is back up what is happening? >> hi, sandra. it looks like the crowd is dispersing. from what i can tell, it looks like we are getting closer to the moment where they plan on moving these buses. i will have my photojournalist to move the camera closer. we will see if we can get in here and see what is going on. the posture of law enforcement seems to be shifting. it seems like the tone we may be moving in i'm trying to see what's going on because so much as developing out here but i can tell you there have been high intentions on the campus of columbia university. again, ever since the start of the israel-hamas war, two

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her to step down. >> gillian: cb i know you've been interviewing students and administrators and faculty over the next couple of days while you've been there on site, i am curious if you have asked any students, jewish or otherwise, who feel offended. who feel their security is threatened who feel they are no longer welcome on campus, have they thought about leaving the school either temporarily or permanently? have they talk to you about that at all? >> yes, they have. i spoke with one jewish student whose name is katie, she did not want to share her last name out of fear of retaliation for her own safety and she told me and i thought this was pretty telling she said if she were not a senior here at columbia university she would try to transfer because she no longer feel safe on this. says her and her peers don't

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moment ago was crowded with protesters as well as a whole line of buses that were there to take protesters who were being detained off site come off campus when they refused to heed multiple warnings from the university's administrators to vacate the area and sees the protest on campus this afte afternoon. we have a cb on-site there with an update on what is going on right this moment. hi, cb. >> hi, you can see on scene several officers in right gear still have a defensive posture i would say and we have been trying to figure out what happened with those buses carrying students that have been detained. we still don't have a clear answer. we saw as you mentioned buses going in reverse. presumably to a roadway where

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just some action on the scene but these buses filled with columbia university students were told they will try to leave the scene in a matter of minutes. whether they will be able to move has yet to be seen. i heard you asked earlier our question whether there are officers out in riot gear, there are, a large show of force. several officers out here in riot gear who are trying to get the perimeter secured and trying to to to escalate the situation very we've moved by and that point, moves are definitely deescalated on scene and we are looking to see what takes place. >> clearly a growing number of people who are not students but are arriving on the scene there, cb, thank you. we have nicole and joe standing by, gillian, we will try to squeeze it in a quick break after think about the columbia university students who do not like what they are

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emergencies as well or fires or anything else when it gets out of control someone gets hurt on that level. this is the time to make a stand and law enforcement and say we will not tolerate this type of behavior and you will be prosecuted. but my fear is in manhattan they will not prosecute these crimes and they will get out with a slap on the wrist and go back and do the same thing over and over. >> gillian: joe, this is gillian turner, moment ago we heard from nicole in the intelligence gathering, she said probably the nypd as well as the fbi would be monitoring the protest situation would have monitoring in a general sense the anti-israel anti-jewish large scale operational protesters and in a sense trying to prepare for anything that might happen. my question for you is whether or not you think it is likely they shared any of that

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