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I think, as i have heard from my more senior senators who were here for the trial of president clinton, when you actually take that oath, when the chief justice takes the chair and begins presiding and when the historical significance of the impeachment trial begins to settle in, there is a chance that a few republican senators will vote with the democrats for a few witnesses in order to make this a more even-handed trial. >> you said something that struck me because it's something i have been thinking about, being gravely concerned about the president's behavior and what he thinks he can get ...

President hasn't paid any political -- hasn't paid any -- hasn't taken any political hits for this. the numbers have stayed the same generally on impeachment and generally on his approval. what he's talking about this being good for him politically is the fundraising has shot up from the base. volunteer efforts for his campaign, from his base, have shot up. and he will keep that house republican caucus, which is, frankly, the base, intact through this vote. >> that helps, the gin up of the republican base, you see in the polling, it's keeping the republicans discipline. so the house will vote ...

Who might offer something in support of president trump's theories. so one of the impeachment counts that is moving forward which is obstruction of congress is because the president stonewalled those exact requests for information. >> so apparently the president's attorney rudy giuliani says that he's -- the president has asked him to brief investigators, including some republicans, about what he's found in ukraine. would you be open to giuliani testifying before the senate judiciary committee on his findings? or do you think even entertaining this is a mistake? >> my gut reaction is that even...

High crimes and misdemeanors as the standard to remove potentially criminal or abusive presidents. so i think the american people will welcome a robust debate on whether, for example, the president should be allowed to reach out to foreign leaders and ask them to gin up fake dirt on his political opponents for his personal advantage and i think we welcome a robust debate on whether it's okay for a president to order witnesses, witnesses with relevant and potentially incriminating information, to refuse to comply with lawfully issued congressional subpoenas. >> look, that is something that woul...

Before thanksgiving. gobble, gobble. [laughter] >> sandra: on that note former president obama is offering advice to his party. >> yes. >> sandra: he says everybody needs to chill out about the candidates. gin up about the prospect of rallying behind a candidate. there will be differences ultimate goal is to defeat a president and a party that has, i think taken a sharp turn away from a lot of the core traditions and values and instructional commitments that built this country. what was that message? >> first of all, i agree with president obama 100 percent. is he saying i'm going to make -- h...