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I just donald trump has never been managed before in his life. i don't imagine he can be managed now. we said when kelly got appointed, he has been given all the ingredients for success. he is a four-star general, someone who donald trump inherently respects. he has the full respect of the staff. he's not aligned with any faction in there. he has complete authority and power which he demonstrated on day one with scaramucci. but the fact is if he can't control donald trump and put guardrails around donald trump, what does all of that mean? he can have all the systems in the world but it doesn't...

He knows how to work with bosses. he's worked with defense secretaries and diplomats so he knows these kind of things but he can only do so much. he can only provide that discipline and rigor to the staff process and getting the information to his boss. what his boss does with it, he can't control. >> right. tim, i was quoting james baker earlier this week and he was saying, and i'm paraphrasing, the best chief of staffs are those who focuses on the of staff part of the title and not the chiefs piece. you tell me, you look at presidential history. what is truly the role of the chief of staff a...

That's the way he ran his business and the way he's run the white house for the first six months. i don't know if john kelly wants to pose some order in firing scaramucci was a nice way in showing thing were going to be different, i don't know if trump will like that. ivanka and jared said they plan to abide by the new rules. they wanted prooens out, and wanted someone who could be more orderly. what john kelly can't control is they have access to the president in the east we think when they want. >> wouldn't that be unfair, if not impractical to say ivanka, jared that they'd have to go to the...

Then not disclosing it. i think that's the argument. >> let's get to more sound from this friend of comey's, because obviously the question why does comey think he was fired. this guy has apparently talked to comey since the firing. he's not divulging any information from that conversation, but this is his own opinion on why he thinks james comey was fired. >> trump fired jim comey because the most dangerous thing in the world, if you're donald trump, is a person who tells the truth, is dogged, you can't control, who is as committed as comey is to the institutional independence of an organizat...

Trump can't understand a guy like comey any more than comey can trump. but trump is now confronted with bureaucrats in washington who are not dazzling billionaires but they get up every day and see a service performing at a moderate income for their company and they tend to do it. and trump doesn't know how to deal with guys like that because he's never met anybody like that. just a thought. >> i mean that's exactly right. one of the things that his aides and people close to him are expressing is the reason he is so angry and frustrated and raging in recent weeks is that he basically feels out...