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The secret sources giuliani was meeting with all that time, the u.s. government has now identified them as active agents of the russian intelligence services. giuliani was getting all of this dirt from the russian intelligence services demanding that ukraine use that as the basis for announcing that sham investigations into biden and that he and trump both made clear that they would get nothing from the u.s. government, nothing they needed unless they did that to help trump out. such a sordid thing that we went through. and we've been through a lot in the last few years. but this remains like,...

Putin hates any inkling that a, they are not his anymore and particularly that they might ally themselves with the west. that they might want to be democracies, god forbid. he hits that they might see their future as linked to europe in america and the western world instead of just being dependent on russia. it's kind of that's his perspective right,? he hates and want to undermine us and nato and any former soviet states that don't act like they still aren't rushes to play with. ukraine foremost among them. and so if you know that about that's where putin is coming from, ahead of this putin a...

They promote this fiction the former president, president trump wasn't really voted out of office. interesting when cnn posted that audio today of giuliani's call to the ukrainian government, reporters matthew chance and marcia cohen at cnn, said, quote, the giuliani call was one of the opening salvos in the year's long quest by trump and his allies to subvert the 2020 election and damage biden. lying about voter fraud, attempting to overturn the results and inciting the deadly january 6th assault on the capitol. it's all part of the same thing. if we're trying to show the world that democracy...

Implication remains. did he know about trump to be a danger? >> absolutely he does and i think absolutely he could be. the remark you're mentioning, you know had said he had an insurance policy and given how much time he spent with the president, he probably does. interesting when he said his lawyer made giuliani call the president up to tell him he was just joking, and his lawyer said, you're not a funny guy, rudy giuliani. cut it with the jokes. >> let me ask you about this anonymous book coming out. right? everyone talking about the author of this book. a warning saying he or she will revea...

State, brad raffensperger, the infamous find-me-votes call. that was january 2nd. the voicemail we just played you from arizona's kelli ward to hickman was made way back on november 13. so, this pressure campaign, on state-election officials, it began very soon after the vote. the giuliani call was made to hickman on december 4 and the white house switchboard calls, one on new year's eve. another, on january 3rd. and why is january 3rd especially significant? it's because the news broke of trump's call to raffensperger, worldwide, that day. and that very same night, the white house was trying ...