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What is meant. >> reporter: ed mcdonald would know. he spent 12 years going after mobsters in new york. mcdonald played himself in the movie "goodfellows" striking a witness protection deal. >> i don't know anything. >> come on. don't give me the babe in the woods. i've listened to the wiretaps. >> reporter: it's that distension between the president given cohen a direct order such as encouraging him to lie while testifying before congress or cohen assuming he was doing what the boss wanted that could define if trump committed a crime or not. >> this is what michael cohen was getting at when h...

He claims his original story to the senate intel committee that those efforts ended in january 2016 wasn't true and that they extended into even june of 2016. given cohen's history of mistruths, the question is, was he lying to congress then or is he lying to mueller now. some have already made up their minds. >> this is not the first guilty plea for cohen but this is the difference. this is the first plea deal with mueller's prosecutors. >> we've been asking about whether or not the special counsel would believe michael cohen, whether he would have credibility with the special counsel. now we...

He claims his original story to the senate intel committee that those efforts ended in january 2016 wasn't true and that they extended into even june of 2016. given cohen's history of mistruths, the question is, was he lying to congress then or is he lying to mueller now. some have already made up their minds. >> this is not the first guilty plea for cohen but this is the difference. this is the first plea deal with mueller's prosecutors. >> we've been asking about whether or not the special counsel would believe michael cohen, whether he would have credibility with the special counsel. now we...

It's not clear exactly what they have discussed or the topics have been, there is a wide variety that mueller's team could have about given cohen's years ago of experience met donald trump. it's also the case, they could have discussed topics of interest into the prosecutors, who are continuing to investigate possible campaign violation at trumps works. >> two important lines of inquiry opened there. the new york case where flynn has already pleaded guilty. >> that speaks to that cohen pl guilty as a co-conspirator. >> some were campaign violations in which during his allocution court he was d...

The focus of the meetings, which have taken place in new york and washington, all aspects of trump's dealings with russia, including business deals and also about allegations of collusion during the 2016 campaign. given cohen's long-time working with trump and his family business, some insiders believe he potentially represents a significant legal threat. he's already pleaded guilty to campaign finance crimes for paying off women just before the election, telling the court he did it at the direction of donald trump. when prosecutors started investigating cohen, trump sounded sympathetic. >> so...