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Potential new documents, andy, devin nunes making news. did he have conversations prior to what we knew yesterday and this week with those who may have been involved in this ukraine strategy? >> i certainly think that's an interesting question. it will be interesting if that is something that house democrats decide that they want to look at over the course of the coming weeks and as the impeachment investigation continues. if they do hear from parnas, i think it's probably unlikely, though, that given everything that they -- everything already out there with impeachment that they would kind of...

For help because that has been the topic for years. >> like three years now, right? >> and it's the same thing for if rudy is investigated for a foreign agent registration activation, he is not going to be able to say i wasn't aware of the law. so i think that's one way that it can be used. and just to go back to your question of how could the southern district investigation intersect with the impeachment investigation? i think one thing that's remarkable that the democrats have been able to do is to be able to get as far as they've gotten with no documents. as a prosecutor, and i think joyce ...

Have those ties to giuliani indicted. all four due in court tomorrow. now, cnn is reporting the criminal probe of giuliani also now includes, according to cnn's reporting, what they call counterintelligence concerns. now, that's a big deal. because it could mean there are national security implications to all of this. and it also means potential charges. donald trump seemed to turn on giuliani, then he seemed to embrace him this weekend. and just on cue, here he is, distancing himself from him today. >> rudy was seeking out corruption. and i think there's nothing wrong with seeking out corrupt...

Billions of dollars and china. that is something that is really problematic given everything that's going on. >> interesting too that there are some bipartisan calls about this, the speaker of the house along with general mccarthy, top republican house, pete buttigieg is a democrat on the campaign trail, all of them in many other voices coming together, marco rubio and congressman govern on both sides of the aisle saying we have to do more to step up and it is unusual to see something big that has bipartisan support but looks like this is one of those moments. >> america used to make the world...

Invoke his fifth amendment right and donald trump's lawyer declined to comment on whether he did that. but as i said earlier, chairman schiff said you know that he intends to dive into evidence of the pieces of evidence that relate to the collusion portion of the investigation. he specifically mentioned this instance. this trump tower meeting so we're likely to see this come up. however, you know, whether robert mueller decides to add anything to what we don't know is a real open question and seems highly unlikely given everything that you guys know as well as anybody. you know, he just doesn'...