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Certainly has. and we've had so many different trade delegations and meetings, in one particular case the trade delegation from china actually was brought into the oval office, and the vice minister of china was brought for direct negotiations with the president. so these do go to the highest levels. i'm sure there are back channels that are going back and forth. and it's very sad to have larry kudlow in the hospital -- or recovering at home at this time because he was also very, very directly involved in these negotiations. and he was said to have a good relationship with the chinese given hi...

Should -- sessions recused himself from russia. should mueller do the same? [inaudible conversations] >> i don't think it's a, necessarily a stain on his integrity of what he did, but he clearly is not in the position to be looking at the fbi given his -- david: so he should resign -- >> i think he should -- [inaudible conversations] i also think further to kim's point about why this came out, i think we have to give some credit to devin nuñes and the house intelligence committee who's taken all sorts of incoming. and this stuff came out because he pursued it, and there's still a subpoena in ...

Involving russia but many lawmakers, including senator mark warner, they point out that the mere fact that kaveladze was in this june 2016 meeting, given his, quote, colorful past, those are senator warner's words, they say that that raises the stakes even more now to find out exactly what transpired inside that meeting and they plan to find out. >> on those raised stakes, jessica, thank you. my next guest was the head of the gao, the general accounting office, during this whole money laundering investigation. >> it's the government accountability office and yes emphasis ti was the ceo in 2011...

Certainly has. and we've had so many different trade delegations and meetings, in one particular case the trade delegation fromhina actually was brought into the oval office, and the vice minister of china was brought for direct negotiations with the president. so these do go to the highest levels. i'm sure there are back channels that are going back and forth. and it's very sad to have larry kudlow in the hospital -- or recovering at home at this time because he was also very, very directly involved in these negotiations. and he was said to have a good relationship with the chinese given his,...

And he reiterated that kaveladze did nothing wrong. >> what mr. kaveladze did back 20 years ago was absolutely, unekw unequivocally legal. there was never any allegation of him alleged in any criminal activity. >> was not charged. >> certainly was not charged with anything criminal and regulatory and did absolutely nothing wrong. the focal point of that gao report was about the banks onboarding of client accounts, account opening documents and that kind of issue, a compliance issue. he has never been implicated in any wrongdoing whatsoever. >> like his attorney said there, kaveladze never crim...