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You incrementally go to each layer of the onion as activity gets worse. you don't want to dump the kitchen sink of sanctions from the beginning. if it doesn't work, you don't have anything to work toward. the red line you're going to look at for the sanctions against the nord stream 2 pipeline, that's going to be among the toughest, and it must be done with germany. >> because it runs from russia to germany. it doesn't touch ukraine at all. >> and that's controversial, and we can talk about that another day. but from what we've seen between president biden and the german chancellor, it's if ru...

The u.s. in terms of sanctions. right? he wanted them before any russian action so that moment has passed. we have seen the russian action. but he wants something big, specifically he wants nord stream 2, that crucial russia to europe pipeline halted for now. he doesn't want that to be sort of talked about. he wants something done. we'll see. we have the white house announcing something later today, beyond what it announced last night. we'll see. it will be a test and certainly a test from the ukrainian viewpoint. what the estonian president made the point that given putin's comments yesterday...

Gains on the battlefield, he will pay a continuing high price over the long run. >> harris: retired general jack keane said the president's words were not enough and he could have gone much further. >> i thought he really missed a real opportunity. he squandered it. to talk to putin and to the ukrainian people. given putin's invasion of ukraine, what he should have just said unequivocally we are not going to let this stand. we intend to assist the ukrainians resist this invasion with everything that we can. >> harris: that is certainly not what the president said. senator ted cruz of the great...

People i spoke to earlier, they wanted more. they wanted concrete. an idea of how this can be stopped. i don't think they felt that tonight. >> we will check in a little bit. thank you. >> it's a great point. at the top of the speech or did sound like a lot had been accomplished and yet this is really just beginning for the people of ukraine. let's bring in retired general jack keane. great to have you with us tonight. what was your reaction to the kyiv part of the speech or their ukraine bar i should say? >> i thought the front part of the speech was pretty direct. his tone was certainly more...

Cemented during these -- the spans to economic sanctions and the like what i do think is important though the lesson that the chinese are taking away from this is one that is negative about the idea of incursion into a neighboring nation state and the response of a unified world to it. nothing has done more to unify nato and make it a useful thing again, something that a lot of us have been skeptical about than the past four weeks. and to hugh's point about the level of reaction that the russians have experienced being one that they did not expect, they also miscalculated when it came to somet...