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So is sort of everybody's outrage. i think this thing has kind of ballooned in a way that i think is just not realistic with what's happening on the ground. >> that may well be, but has the irs given republicans the ammunition at least to attack them? has the story gained any traction with the public because it's the irs we're talking about? >> yeah, the irs, if there's one thing that might be less popular than congress, it could always be the irs. you saw president obama. i was on this trip to minneapolis. part of a summer tour where he'll try to talk to folks outside of washington, try to be...

What's interesting, a year ago, he granted an interview in which he talked about the attack. he denied any direct involvement. but he wasn't exactly in hiding. when you ask the administration about this, why wasn't he captured sooner, they say these things take time. they had to build up a case. they had to have evidence. and so that is what they have been working on since that attack back in 2012. as you know, republicans have criticized the obama administration for not moving more quickly, for not bringing more suspects to justice. so, again, this is a breakthrough in that regard, but certai...

Ago by special forceses in libya. that came after an exhaustive investigation by the u.s. government trying to track down those responsible for the benghazi attack. so this is really the first person who is going to face charges related to that attack. it's also a political test for the obama administration determined to see the suspect tried in the american judicial system, all while you have republicans calling for him to be sent back to -- or sent to guantanamo bay. of course the obama administration has said they want to see guantanamo bay closed down. >> first of all, where has he been, d...