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While there may have been plans to do something, there is no indication the president did anything wrong. that is their claim, their spin. what i think is kind of in the big picture, most notable, is that the president himself is engaged in this, trying to undercut his lawyer -- former lawyer, michael cohen, against someone who was really his protector in many ways for a very long time. someone who would do things on behalf of the president, where the president didn't need to have fingerprints on it. this tape, of course, reveals that there may, at least in this instance, have been more of an ...

Spicer but she's worse some days because with all due respect to sarah, she did enter the realm of alternative facts today. there was a panic in washington, d.c., among republican congressman who were precisely what she was asked. the reporter hallie did not say the president is an idiot. it was confusing. it was manifestly confusing to republicans who were lighting up the white house switchboard by every published report today. so to get up there and say it's not confusing is a lie. and then to do it in a way -- >> it was worse than that. she said -- >> and then to do it in a condescending an...

Is a kind of process being imposed. the national security council has been around since 1947 officially. it won the cold war. not a bad recommendation for a given situation. for a given institution. and so there's a reason for process, there's a reason that foreign policy is conducted the way it is. now, the nature of a populist appeal, which is what trump obviously is selling, is that if this process were so great, if traditional foreign policy elites had it so right, why is the world in such a mess? that's going to be his emotional reaction to any kind of criticism or even this kind of comme...

>> and sergeant amanda pettepher has this strengthened or weakened your faith. >> strengthened my faith. god is going to take care of me no matter what comes our way. the law that they're stating is the clergy privilege which i do not believe applies in this given situation. the reason why we are doing this it, we don't hold any animuses city toward the chief of police or toward the police department. they are very fine men and women working there who are friends. we have always worked with what we want is clarification. we don't want to sue. we don't care about money. it's not about that. >> ...

Afterwards, it appears that a gun had fallen and gone off while the man was running. he had dropped to the the ground. fox had to apologize for its false report. now, no one wants to go on the air and be wrong. mike tobin seems to have really, absolutely, genuinely thought he saw a man get shot. he was not making that up. this gets to a huge issue, intuitively, we tend to think that an eyewitness is our most reliable way of knowing what happened in a given situation. but social science has shown us over and over that simply is not the case. joining me now, public defender david fiege. so how s...