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Imposing, that had the desired effect here that has led to this? >> i think so. it's not the first time that sanctions are used to target in particular human rights abuses and political oppression. it's a tool that started years ago. i think president trump has used it more. it started under president obama. he used it quite effectively. it's fortuitous timing given what happened to -- we don't know yet what happened to saudi journalist jamal khashoggi, but if the allegations are true and given the investigation that the senators have asked the administration pursue under the global act, what ...

Sudden they're like oh, my gosh, we're energized that trump is going to bring some of their industries back. really, i think that's where the momentum shifted. yes, i think obama was right when he said i think maybe they want to go back in their tribes when he's looking at his presidency. the global -- how can i make the presidency more of a global act. and i think he's now reflecting and looking back saying maybe i should have done thing differently which i respect. it's very nice to hear a president going back and, you know, doing crazy rhetoric or anything but actually having a thoughtful c...